Irish accused of aiding All Black defections

[TRF_Cymro]

The New Zealand Rugby Union are growing increasingly exasperated with the pursuit of their top players by Irish provinces and accused the Irish Rugby Football Union of aiding All Black defections.

http://www.espnscrum.com/newzealand/rugby/story/138448.html​

 

[monkeypigeon]

Yeah...it's true.

But they're not coming for money, it's for the lovely weather.

 

[markshaw]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=10719957

 

[TRF_Olyy]

and people say it's the Aviva clubs poaching all the SH talent

€400k a year is a lot of cake!

 

[munstermuffin]

Lads that is a whole load of BS. No player is on 400k from their salary with IRFU or provinces. Maybe they are when you add in their sponsor deals but this isn't a hard point.
Yes they come for the money because it so much better in NH but you can hardly blame them for that and how the hell can you single out Ireland in this issue

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Well they have ... what you going to do about it :lol:

 

[profitius]

Its the French who are making all the big name signings.

 

[munstermuffin]

Well they have ... what you going to do about it :lol:

We know people

 

[Feicarsinn]

Is this news? Irish provinces like having All Blacks in their squads. Well who doesn't?

 

[Aedaphon]

Its the French who are making all the big name signings.

While I'm not surprised that they picked out Ireland (who do like their SH names) you raise a fair point. The big names are more likely than not going to end up in the Top 14 sides rather than Ireland.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

Is this news? Irish provinces like having All Blacks in their squads. Well who doesn't?

The Scottish.

 

[lucky number 7]

Boo ******* hoo
Money talks if a guy wholeheartedly wants to stay and play for his club he will if he doesn't want to stay at home what use is he to the team?
The only top quality NZ player in ireland at the moment off the top of my head is Dougie Howlet

 

[FlukeArtist]

This is a storm in a teacup.

Honestly - this is the first I have heard about this so-called "exasperation" re Irish Clubs.

Kiwis are used to it.
If its not the Irish, its the French, or the Japanese, or the Welsh, or the English etc.
We will always lose players from NZ, thats just a fact.

No big deal though; more will come through- they always do.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

NZ in Ireland (or to come too, that have been brought directly from NZ)

Peter Borlase
Lifeimi Mafi
Matt Berqusit
Erza Taylor
Troy Nathan
Miah Nikora
Fetu'u Vainikolo
John Afoa
Jared Payne
Bernie Upton
Rodney Ah You

 

[lucky number 7]

NZ in Ireland (or to come too, that have been brought directly from NZ)

Peter Borlase - Who wants him really?
Lifeimi Mafi - decent player but would he get near the all blacks ?
Matt Berqusit - a second string ten
Erza Taylor -who
Troy Nathan - see erza taylor
Miah Nikora - see troy
Fetu'u Vainikolo - ****
John Afoa - savage player.
Jared Payne - Know the name not the player
Bernie Upton - see Miah nikora
Rodney Ah You - see jared Payne

should Nz feel hard done by ?

 

[TRF_Cymro]

should Nz feel hard done by ?

No but pointing out there are a few NZ players there.

Wales:

Jerry Collins
Marty Holah
Jamie Nutbrown
Tom Willis
Ben Castle
Michael Paterson
Paul ***o
Xavier Rush
Casey Laulala
Ben Blair

 

[Feicarsinn]

NZ in Ireland (or to come too, that have been brought directly from NZ)

Peter Borlase - shite
Lifeimi Mafi - shite
Matt Berqusit -hasn't arrived
Erza Taylor - shite
Troy Nathan - so shite it's unholy
Miah Nikora - poo
Fetu'u Vainikolo - hasn't arrived,but by all accounts he's poo
John Afoa - hasn't arrived yet, a good coup
Jared Payne - same
Bernie Upton - crap
Rodney Ah You - a good club player, nothing more

It seems like a lot sure, but it's no worse than the situation in Wales, the only other nation our teams can really be compared to:

Jerry Collins
Marty Holah
Jamie Nutbrown
Kahn Fotuali'i
Tom Willis
Ben Castle
Nigel Hall
Michael Paterson
Paul ***o
Casey Laulala
Ben Blair
Xavier Rush
Regan King

Either way, it strikes me as bit odd that they called us up on it in particular.

 

[FlukeArtist]

I don't think they did mate; as I say- this is the first I have heard of this.

 

[TRF_Cymro]

It seems like a lot sure, but it's no worse than the situation in Wales, the only other nation our teams can really be compared to:

Jerry Collins
Marty Holah
Jamie Nutbrown
Kahn Fotuali'i
Tom Willis
Ben Castle
Nigel Hall
Michael Paterson
Paul ***o
Casey Laulala
Ben Blair
Xavier Rush
Regan King

Either way, it strikes me as bit odd that they called us up on it in particular.

Hall came from Nottingham and King via Clermont and Khan is Samoan

+ plus I posted the list before

 

[munstermuffin]

Lets just put it this way -
Munster signed
Howlett - Was told he was over the hill by NZRU and should look abroad
Mafi - Had no chance of being All Black
Tuitupou - Was in SH already
Borlaise - Massive loss and would've been a starter in All Blacks jersey (Them Franks brothers are lucky )

Leinster
Nacewa - Can't play for All Blacks and well they seemed to let him go easy enough

Connacht - It a sad sight if NZRU are accusing Connacht of being a cause

And as for the arrivals not here yet, they might be good but hardly at All Blacks expense