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Is Warren Gatland Simply a Lucky Coach?
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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 865333" data-attributes="member: 72205"><p>I'd say he was a good coach not great. His record against the SH (Lions aside) is utterly rubbish even when Wales were winning Grand Slams (and IMO never looked good winning them they always looked beatable).</p><p></p><p>I think his teams are 'difficult to beat' rather than 'go in as favourites'. I've not feared Wales (despite losses) in his entire tenure I don't go in thinking we can lose and usually think England will win. Now that is national bias but I've don't think the same way about SA (except recently) or the ABs although I always fancy our chances.</p><p>With Wales because of their sh results they've always shown themselves to be beatable.</p><p></p><p>As to Lions he's come accross possibly two of the weakest sides Australia and NZ have produced in the pro era. Certainly compared to previous tours in the professional era 2001 tour of Australia was against current world champions and would final in 2003. 2005 tour was the dawn of a domimant ABs side for the next decade that would go on to win 2 world cups. The Aus side was in decline and hadn't been close to best in the world for some time, ABs better but they clearly in transistion after losing 400+ caps to retirement and just lost two of the greatest players of all time which were central to NZ success neither of their replacement are close to as good....yet.</p><p>He certainly has been fortunate in the opposition he got for the Lions.</p><p></p><p>Add into the fact I dislike the style of rugby Wales and Lions play under him and i don't think of it as strategy to win just not lose badly.</p><p>Plus the Lions were rubbish this tour and way too many questionable decision were made. The only person coaching who came out well I think was Farrell and I;m extremely reluctant to praise him due to his apparent power during Lancaster era England and 2015 RWC debarcle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 865333, member: 72205"] I'd say he was a good coach not great. His record against the SH (Lions aside) is utterly rubbish even when Wales were winning Grand Slams (and IMO never looked good winning them they always looked beatable). I think his teams are 'difficult to beat' rather than 'go in as favourites'. I've not feared Wales (despite losses) in his entire tenure I don't go in thinking we can lose and usually think England will win. Now that is national bias but I've don't think the same way about SA (except recently) or the ABs although I always fancy our chances. With Wales because of their sh results they've always shown themselves to be beatable. As to Lions he's come accross possibly two of the weakest sides Australia and NZ have produced in the pro era. Certainly compared to previous tours in the professional era 2001 tour of Australia was against current world champions and would final in 2003. 2005 tour was the dawn of a domimant ABs side for the next decade that would go on to win 2 world cups. The Aus side was in decline and hadn't been close to best in the world for some time, ABs better but they clearly in transistion after losing 400+ caps to retirement and just lost two of the greatest players of all time which were central to NZ success neither of their replacement are close to as good....yet. He certainly has been fortunate in the opposition he got for the Lions. Add into the fact I dislike the style of rugby Wales and Lions play under him and i don't think of it as strategy to win just not lose badly. Plus the Lions were rubbish this tour and way too many questionable decision were made. The only person coaching who came out well I think was Farrell and I;m extremely reluctant to praise him due to his apparent power during Lancaster era England and 2015 RWC debarcle. [/QUOTE]
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