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Ok i went over board a bit. However Logorrhea made a comment like they have the right to reconise the fact their culture is different.[/b]
Why are you saying that to Iversen and not to me? Either way, I did understand the question. I just asked a few other questions to challenge the likes of yourself to look in a different direction. Otherwise the thread could have been over in two posts. Is it racist? Well if its based on the colour of your skin (which it appears to be) then of course it is. What if it wasnt just race, but what if all that nonsense about saving Maori culture was actually true? Would the award be racist then? Of course not because you have to factor in how Race, Culture and Ethnicity combine. Its very difficult to recognise a culture without acknowledging their race and ethnicity.
Now for the fun bit
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I'm also sick of being told that I "took something away" from Maori.[/b]
So the whole colonial thing was just bad press or poor interpretation of what was actually just a damned great property deal for the local Maori "land owners" why then fecked off back to some other Island? I mean who cares if their country was renamed by whitey, they were now being governed by a white queen on the other side of the planet, by her (white) laws, which I presume the property deal was set out under. Did the colonials buy the rights to that too? I presume the Maori just picked up and sold you lot the whole country? Fair and Square.
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It's a shame there's so much ill-informed ignorance from the isles interfering in the thread.[/b]
Its a shame that people can call me ignorant and a pretentious git (though indirectly which is odd) yet they arent capable of debating a single point I've raised. Ive no problem with name calling but at least debate the points and point out where I'm wrong. Ive never said I understand your society inside out. I'm just posing questions and happy to accept any answers that are offered once they make sense.
This is not a question or a debate unique to NZ. and I'm not accusing anyone of anything so I dont know why you would get defensive about your own history. The planet has been shaped by similar occurances since time began. The strong kill the weak and write history as they see it. Norther Ireland (part of "The Isles") has a more recent and violent history as a result of a cultural divide manufactured by the colonial power.
Its the same question really, when should the Maori just give up and die, what right have they to a culture of their own. Surely to recognise that culture is racist isnt it? Down with that sort of thing I say.
[/b][/quote] I responded to CA Iverson because his post was the one that grabbed my attention, nothing personal. I don't think it's you that most of this stuff is directed at, its just that i have and sounds like others have, been on the wrong end of some tongue lashings from individuals from the UK. So your comments were taken in a harsh light. I especially hate when people bag NZ for poaching Pacific players because its not a one way thing and a lot of players people think of as purely pacific islanders were born in NZ but again thats not you. Its difficult to argue with your points because half the time its not clear what your trying to say.
On the points you've made, well the point Iverson seems to be making is not that there weren't abuses by the Colonials. What he's saying is not everyone with white skin is responsible for those mistakes and people (Hone Harawera for instance) seem unable to see that .
I don't know what your last point is about no one's asking anyone to give up on their culture. You lost me again.
