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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 816240" data-attributes="member: 40658"><p>No, they won't. and that has been made ubundantly clear. In fact certain factions inside the ANC have also jumped on the wagon with regards to abolishing the quota system. </p><p></p><p></p><p>That might have been the case from 1992 – 1997, but it certainly isn't anymore. If we look at the current demographics of SA and the economic sectors, you would see that there is a massive decline in "White wealth". </p><p></p><p>That's because they didn't apply it correctly. They went for the "top-heavy" approach in Targeting the National team and Elite level instead of starting the integration at schoolboy level and working it up to a more viable model. For the ruling party the quota system is about image, and having less pale faces in the Bok team.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a fundamentally racist statement. You are basically saying that all rugby loving fans and kids only have role-models based on skin colour. Yet the most recognised players in South Africa happens to be Bryan Habana and Beast Mtawarira. If you ask some black kids who play rugby at school who their role models are, I bet we'll find a bunch of them naming white players as well.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the problem that our government is failing at miserably. And the 2010 FIFA World Cup didn't help their cause either. They use every drop of government funding they get to introduce soccer into the rural areas and to get more kids to play soccer. They completely disregard the other sports, not just rugby. The girls especially have it worse off as Hockey and Netball doesn't get any help from government. And here it is a cultural thing, because in the Xhosa and Zulu tribes, the male is the dominant sex and there isn't a lot of compassion for females.</p><p>The current situation is that SARU has given all the unions instruction to have a budget aimed at youth development. But the situation is that the unions can't develop the sport as much as they want to due to political interference around every turn. Take Limpopo for example, one of the biggest provinces in the country and part of the Blue Bulls Rugby union. Last year the Blue Bulls gave the Limpopo area about R5 million to use on development alone. They organised a rugby day in my hometown of Polokwane (which is the capitol city of the province) and invited every school in the province (Primary and Secondary). They had Victor Matfield (who comes from Polokwane), Trevor Nyakane, and a bunch of Blue Bulls players at the function. They even went as far as to pay for the buses that will transport the kids, some as far as 300km away.</p><p>What happened? Only the rugby playing schools came, which was about 18 primary schools and 12 High Schools. The other schools then said they won't come to "white privilege convention". This infuriated a school like Ben Vorster High School who is currently the top team in the province and sent 12 boys to the Craven Week and their first team is 75% ethnic black players.</p><p>The outcome was that the BBRU used the funding that was left, and provided aid to the schools to develop their rugby facilities. They used half of those funds to start a rugby clinic and the rest was spread evenly to every school in the province (regardless if they had a rugby program). Guess what? Only the 30 schools who attended the function used the funds for rugby purposes, the other schools used it to fund their soccer programme or to better their infrastructure at the school itself.</p><p></p><p>We will always produce talented rugby players. It's in our blood and will always be part of us. But the problem we are having is that the Quota system is turning talent away from rugby. The situation has been since the early 2000's that talented White rugby players stop playing rugby when they leave high school, and instead look to a profession after high school, because they are being told that they can't join the team because of their skin colour.</p><p>I have seen that happen plenty of times.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Err, Kassim isn't an ethnic Asian player. He's a coloured player who is muslim. There's a big Muslim contingent in South Africa.</p><p></p><p>What's your point? We have owned up to our mistakes of the past and are doing everything in our power to correct our mistakes. But 2 wrongs don't make a right. What is currently happening is in fact the exact same thing that happened during Apartheid, but the roles are reversed. The only difference is that we now have a democracy and we know what happened during Apartheid was wrong, yet, our people in power don't care, and instead of building the nation, they continue to divide the nation.</p><p></p><p></p><p>But that's not what is happening though. While we do get more kids involved in Rugby, many of the non-white players gets discouraged very early on. </p><p>I actually want a university to do a study on all the races in South Africa with regard to contact sports and see what the results will be. Out of the black kids who was in school with me and my current friends and colleagues, I have come to the conclusion that ethnic black people doesn't like the physical side that is in rugby, and that is one of the main issues that's discouraging young black kids from playing the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That's what we are also hoping for. But we will only remain competitive if we implement the same ideals as all the other nations. To be competitive we have to pick players on merit and not by race/ethnicity.</p><p>The quota system is also a massive mental issue, as it creates doubt in every player, regardless of race, as you don't know if you are actually good enough (if you're black) or when you'll get replaced (if you're white). This doesn't affect just one culture or race. It affect the entire South African rugby nation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_heineken, post: 816240, member: 40658"] No, they won’t. and that has been made ubundantly clear. In fact certain factions inside the ANC have also jumped on the wagon with regards to abolishing the quota system. That might have been the case from 1992 – 1997, but it certainly isn’t anymore. If we look at the current demographics of SA and the economic sectors, you would see that there is a massive decline in “White wealth”. That’s because they didn’t apply it correctly. They went for the “top-heavy” approach in Targeting the National team and Elite level instead of starting the integration at schoolboy level and working it up to a more viable model. For the ruling party the quota system is about image, and having less pale faces in the Bok team. This is a fundamentally racist statement. You are basically saying that all rugby loving fans and kids only have role-models based on skin colour. Yet the most recognised players in South Africa happens to be Bryan Habana and Beast Mtawarira. If you ask some black kids who play rugby at school who their role models are, I bet we’ll find a bunch of them naming white players as well. This is the problem that our government is failing at miserably. And the 2010 FIFA World Cup didn’t help their cause either. They use every drop of government funding they get to introduce soccer into the rural areas and to get more kids to play soccer. They completely disregard the other sports, not just rugby. The girls especially have it worse off as Hockey and Netball doesn’t get any help from government. And here it is a cultural thing, because in the Xhosa and Zulu tribes, the male is the dominant sex and there isn’t a lot of compassion for females. The current situation is that SARU has given all the unions instruction to have a budget aimed at youth development. But the situation is that the unions can’t develop the sport as much as they want to due to political interference around every turn. Take Limpopo for example, one of the biggest provinces in the country and part of the Blue Bulls Rugby union. Last year the Blue Bulls gave the Limpopo area about R5 million to use on development alone. They organised a rugby day in my hometown of Polokwane (which is the capitol city of the province) and invited every school in the province (Primary and Secondary). They had Victor Matfield (who comes from Polokwane), Trevor Nyakane, and a bunch of Blue Bulls players at the function. They even went as far as to pay for the buses that will transport the kids, some as far as 300km away. What happened? Only the rugby playing schools came, which was about 18 primary schools and 12 High Schools. The other schools then said they won’t come to “white privilege convention”. This infuriated a school like Ben Vorster High School who is currently the top team in the province and sent 12 boys to the Craven Week and their first team is 75% ethnic black players. The outcome was that the BBRU used the funding that was left, and provided aid to the schools to develop their rugby facilities. They used half of those funds to start a rugby clinic and the rest was spread evenly to every school in the province (regardless if they had a rugby program). Guess what? Only the 30 schools who attended the function used the funds for rugby purposes, the other schools used it to fund their soccer programme or to better their infrastructure at the school itself. We will always produce talented rugby players. It’s in our blood and will always be part of us. But the problem we are having is that the Quota system is turning talent away from rugby. The situation has been since the early 2000’s that talented White rugby players stop playing rugby when they leave high school, and instead look to a profession after high school, because they are being told that they can’t join the team because of their skin colour. I have seen that happen plenty of times. Err, Kassim isn’t an ethnic Asian player. He’s a coloured player who is muslim. There’s a big Muslim contingent in South Africa. What’s your point? We have owned up to our mistakes of the past and are doing everything in our power to correct our mistakes. But 2 wrongs don’t make a right. What is currently happening is in fact the exact same thing that happened during Apartheid, but the roles are reversed. The only difference is that we now have a democracy and we know what happened during Apartheid was wrong, yet, our people in power don’t care, and instead of building the nation, they continue to divide the nation. But that’s not what is happening though. While we do get more kids involved in Rugby, many of the non-white players gets discouraged very early on. I actually want a university to do a study on all the races in South Africa with regard to contact sports and see what the results will be. Out of the black kids who was in school with me and my current friends and colleagues, I have come to the conclusion that ethnic black people doesn’t like the physical side that is in rugby, and that is one of the main issues that’s discouraging young black kids from playing the game. That’s what we are also hoping for. But we will only remain competitive if we implement the same ideals as all the other nations. To be competitive we have to pick players on merit and not by race/ethnicity. The quota system is also a massive mental issue, as it creates doubt in every player, regardless of race, as you don’t know if you are actually good enough (if you’re black) or when you’ll get replaced (if you’re white). This doesn’t affect just one culture or race. It affect the entire South African rugby nation. [/QUOTE]
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