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<blockquote data-quote="TRF_heineken" data-source="post: 816375" data-attributes="member: 40658"><p>It is certainly a sensitive subject, and I appreciate the interest from foreigners. But you have to understand how damaging this is to our sport, and not just rugby, but every sport in SA. It's one of the very few things us middle to low wealth income people can look forward to and creates hope to live in this beautiful country of ours.</p><p></p><p></p><p>True, but it's not uncommon in South Africa for kids to have role models in sport regardless of their skin colour. Kids under 14 doesn't even understand the concept of racism, hell even some adults still doesn't get that concept.</p><p>The point I'm making is that kids look up to players who perform, not feature. There is a difference.</p><p></p><p>That is why I'm suggesting that a study should be done. It's a personal viewpoint of mine because of how I was brought up. I was in a poor primary school where 75% of the kids were traditional black children. During breaks, the black kids would play soccer and the white kids would play rugby, on many occasions we would invite them to play along, as they were just too many to play soccer, and we weren't enough to play rugby. And they were afraid. They would only play if it was touch-rugby.</p><p>That perspective has never dissipated and I am a firm believer that it is the case.</p><p></p><p></p><p>If Quota's were used as an educational tool, then implementing it in sports is the worst showcase they can use. They are then basically taking away the fundamentals of what sport is. A competition where the best prospers. Implementing Quotas basically says that Sport is nothing but a Montessori idea, where participation is the only aspect one should look at. Why keep score and have a winner then?</p><p></p><p></p><p>But there is a massive difference. During Apartheid we weren't a Democracy and we didn't have a Constitution or even human rights. In 1993 we drafted an interim Constitution and in 1996 the final version was implemented. One of the fundamental rights is that there must be no discrimination based on sex/race/religion/sexual orientation. This Constitution was the baby of Nelson Mandela, who was the leader of the ANC. He was one of the advocates against the Quota system and said that it has no place in SA sport. Now his own party, the ANC, are violating the Constitution, the democratic policies and the wishes of Mandela.</p><p>There has been many polls over the last few years with regard to the Quota system, and every time the South African public votes against it, and by a very large margin. So why keep on forcing it down our throats?? Because they can.</p><p></p><p></p><p>This is a very narrow viewpoint. For 7's you need skills and speed. Something our black players always have (one or the other). And that's why we will always have great black wingers. But the black props and hookers and flankers. We struggle to get good Locks, Scrumhalves, Fly Halves, Centres and Fullbacks. Those are all positions where the skillset isn't always necessary to be good at 7's.</p><p>But if you look at our 7's team, you would see that it was only Seabelo Senatla and Gigaba that were ethnic black players. De Jongh, Kolbe, Specman, Geduld, Afrika, are all coloured (mixed race) players, so the problem is basically the same as in the XV's.</p><p></p><p></p><p>We have a 7's women's team. They just didn't qualify for the Olympics. We also have a XV's team for the women, and they compete every year in tournaments. Perhaps you should go do the research first.</p><p></p><p></p><p>As stated in my previous post, SA Rugby is doing everything in their power to develop the sport. But the obstacles they face are just too big. And they are fighting against SAFA (South African Football Association). But due to SAFA having a much bigger wallet, SARU is fighting a losing battle.</p><p>Again, you need to differentiate between coloured and ethnic black. Habana, Pietersen and Philander are all coloured players, not ethnic black players like Nyakane, Kolisi and Notshe. We have plenty of coloured players, but not enough ethnic black players.</p><p></p><p>True, but again, the implementation is wrong. Rather use it on kids from age 8 to 18. And then let the kids decide if they want to make the step up to the professional arena where they are picked on merit and not on the colour of their skin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TRF_heineken, post: 816375, member: 40658"] It is certainly a sensitive subject, and I appreciate the interest from foreigners. But you have to understand how damaging this is to our sport, and not just rugby, but every sport in SA. It’s one of the very few things us middle to low wealth income people can look forward to and creates hope to live in this beautiful country of ours. True, but it’s not uncommon in South Africa for kids to have role models in sport regardless of their skin colour. Kids under 14 doesn’t even understand the concept of racism, hell even some adults still doesn’t get that concept. The point I’m making is that kids look up to players who perform, not feature. There is a difference. That is why I’m suggesting that a study should be done. It’s a personal viewpoint of mine because of how I was brought up. I was in a poor primary school where 75% of the kids were traditional black children. During breaks, the black kids would play soccer and the white kids would play rugby, on many occasions we would invite them to play along, as they were just too many to play soccer, and we weren’t enough to play rugby. And they were afraid. They would only play if it was touch-rugby. That perspective has never dissipated and I am a firm believer that it is the case. If Quota’s were used as an educational tool, then implementing it in sports is the worst showcase they can use. They are then basically taking away the fundamentals of what sport is. A competition where the best prospers. Implementing Quotas basically says that Sport is nothing but a Montessori idea, where participation is the only aspect one should look at. Why keep score and have a winner then? But there is a massive difference. During Apartheid we weren’t a Democracy and we didn’t have a Constitution or even human rights. In 1993 we drafted an interim Constitution and in 1996 the final version was implemented. One of the fundamental rights is that there must be no discrimination based on sex/race/religion/sexual orientation. This Constitution was the baby of Nelson Mandela, who was the leader of the ANC. He was one of the advocates against the Quota system and said that it has no place in SA sport. Now his own party, the ANC, are violating the Constitution, the democratic policies and the wishes of Mandela. There has been many polls over the last few years with regard to the Quota system, and every time the South African public votes against it, and by a very large margin. So why keep on forcing it down our throats?? Because they can. This is a very narrow viewpoint. For 7’s you need skills and speed. Something our black players always have (one or the other). And that’s why we will always have great black wingers. But the black props and hookers and flankers. We struggle to get good Locks, Scrumhalves, Fly Halves, Centres and Fullbacks. Those are all positions where the skillset isn’t always necessary to be good at 7’s. But if you look at our 7’s team, you would see that it was only Seabelo Senatla and Gigaba that were ethnic black players. De Jongh, Kolbe, Specman, Geduld, Afrika, are all coloured (mixed race) players, so the problem is basically the same as in the XV’s. We have a 7’s women’s team. They just didn’t qualify for the Olympics. We also have a XV’s team for the women, and they compete every year in tournaments. Perhaps you should go do the research first. As stated in my previous post, SA Rugby is doing everything in their power to develop the sport. But the obstacles they face are just too big. And they are fighting against SAFA (South African Football Association). But due to SAFA having a much bigger wallet, SARU is fighting a losing battle. Again, you need to differentiate between coloured and ethnic black. Habana, Pietersen and Philander are all coloured players, not ethnic black players like Nyakane, Kolisi and Notshe. We have plenty of coloured players, but not enough ethnic black players. True, but again, the implementation is wrong. Rather use it on kids from age 8 to 18. And then let the kids decide if they want to make the step up to the professional arena where they are picked on merit and not on the colour of their skin. [/QUOTE]
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