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[June Tests 2018: 2nd Test] New Zealand vs. France (16/06/2018)
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<blockquote data-quote="Not Mike Brown&#039;s Sock" data-source="post: 907267" data-attributes="member: 72041"><p>I mean the literal definition of culture: "the ideas, customs, and social behavior of a particular people or society". In this case I mean the ideas, customs and social behavior of New Zealand rugby.</p><p></p><p>Also, I have pretty clearly explained why I think there is a problem with something in NZ rugby culture. It says a lot that after Jerome Kaino was criticised for "thuggery" in targeting Connor Murray and there was a media outcry, SBW got sent off in the next test. There is nothing wrong with targeting a player like every team does, but when your team has come under heavy criticism for what looked like an intention to injure Murray by Kaino (I didn't think it was, but hey ho), coming out and getting a red card in the next game looks reaaaly bad. This mirrors the action in the u20s and senior games in the past week. If someone is trying to start a fire, definitely DO NOT put petrol on it.</p><p></p><p>Even if all the NZers are gonna disagree with me (also I don't blame you, I would probably try and defend England in this situ), you all have to agree that even if you don't believe there is a cultural problem, the fact that it <strong>appears </strong>that there is a problem to many others is a problem in itself because it will inevitably lead to lesser involvement if rugby is seemingly conforming to the "brute" stereotype.</p><p></p><p>So even if you feel you are being hard done by, the union should at least make a concerted effort to make it seem like that is not the case, which it doesn't seem like it is doing. The fact that we are having this conversation is a problem for NZ rugby because it immediately puts it in a bad light, whether that be justified or not.</p><p></p><p>This conversation has popped up in 2016 after the headshots against Ireland, in 2017 against the Lions (twice) and in 2018 against France. Even if you disagree with the idea of the All Blacks being a dirty side, its a problem for NZ rugby that this conversation happens every year.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Not Mike Brown's Sock, post: 907267, member: 72041"] I mean the literal definition of culture: "the ideas, customs, and social behavior of a particular people or society". In this case I mean the ideas, customs and social behavior of New Zealand rugby. Also, I have pretty clearly explained why I think there is a problem with something in NZ rugby culture. It says a lot that after Jerome Kaino was criticised for "thuggery" in targeting Connor Murray and there was a media outcry, SBW got sent off in the next test. There is nothing wrong with targeting a player like every team does, but when your team has come under heavy criticism for what looked like an intention to injure Murray by Kaino (I didn't think it was, but hey ho), coming out and getting a red card in the next game looks reaaaly bad. This mirrors the action in the u20s and senior games in the past week. If someone is trying to start a fire, definitely DO NOT put petrol on it. Even if all the NZers are gonna disagree with me (also I don't blame you, I would probably try and defend England in this situ), you all have to agree that even if you don't believe there is a cultural problem, the fact that it [B]appears [/B]that there is a problem to many others is a problem in itself because it will inevitably lead to lesser involvement if rugby is seemingly conforming to the "brute" stereotype. So even if you feel you are being hard done by, the union should at least make a concerted effort to make it seem like that is not the case, which it doesn't seem like it is doing. The fact that we are having this conversation is a problem for NZ rugby because it immediately puts it in a bad light, whether that be justified or not. This conversation has popped up in 2016 after the headshots against Ireland, in 2017 against the Lions (twice) and in 2018 against France. Even if you disagree with the idea of the All Blacks being a dirty side, its a problem for NZ rugby that this conversation happens every year. [/QUOTE]
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