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[June Tests 2018: 3rd Test] New Zealand vs. France (23/06/2018)
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<blockquote data-quote="Immenso" data-source="post: 910117" data-attributes="member: 74361"><p>I actually think we're partly in some agreement. Some of the post below is a general rant rather than directed at your posts.</p><p></p><p>I'm sick of the controversey as well. I didn't enjoy that try one little bit. Yet it was a 100% perfectly executed set move by NZ to wheel the scrum, isolate the halfback from his blindside flanker and run that channel, yet it was optically spoilt and felt a bit hollow.</p><p></p><p>But this wasn't caused by Lacey's own bad positioning. It was caused by Serin trying to crab out too far before the scrum was even complete and then move sideways (inside the 5m) rather than retreat onside back the 5m.</p><p></p><p>Yet Lacey is getting all the blame.</p><p></p><p>I agree about your comment that "the rules should feel fair", and in the future something like this might happen where the player isn't to blame and the referee is to blame. If that was the case I wouldn't be happy with the "he wouldn't have got there anyway" argument. Under current rules there doesn't appear to be anyway to redress this. IMO that is a valid discussion.</p><p></p><p>But IMO the unlucky France / inept Lacey narrative is a false narrative. Lacey is the unlucky one, he's being made out to be the clumsy inept fool.</p><p></p><p>I understand the urge, it was my initial reaction too, it's such a rare occurrence almost no one knew the rules. But;</p><p>1. I now know the rules</p><p>2. I believe the fault was with Serin</p><p></p><p>Yet if you do a google search of John Lacey referee;</p><p></p><p><em>Rugby: Referee blunder hurts France once again</em></p><p><em>New Zealand Herald · 2 days ago</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Referee John Lacey slammed on Twitter after another controversial ...</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Referee John Lacey heavily criticised after awarding New Zealand ...</em></p><p><em><a href="https://www.walesonline.co.uk" target="_blank">https://www.walesonline.co.uk</a> › Sport › Rugby › New Zealand rugby</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>'I could have tackled' - French furious at refereeing howler</em></p><p><em>RugbyPass-23/06/2018</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>French perplexed why referee didn't cancel McKenzie try</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Watch: Referee Blocks French Tackler, Awards New Zealand Try ...</em></p><p><em><a href="https://www.balls.ie/rugby/john-lacey-391463" target="_blank">https://www.balls.ie/rugby/john-lacey-391463</a></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>Lacey the latest under fire as All Blacks scorch in for 7 tries against ...</em></p><p><em><a href="http://www.the42.ie/lacey-referee-all-blacks-france-4087598-Jun2018/" target="_blank">www.the42.ie/lacey-referee-all-blacks-france-4087598-Jun2018/</a></em></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've gone several pages in and yet to see one that says" Actually, Lacey was both right and even if he was wrong he was powerless"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Immenso, post: 910117, member: 74361"] I actually think we're partly in some agreement. Some of the post below is a general rant rather than directed at your posts. I'm sick of the controversey as well. I didn't enjoy that try one little bit. Yet it was a 100% perfectly executed set move by NZ to wheel the scrum, isolate the halfback from his blindside flanker and run that channel, yet it was optically spoilt and felt a bit hollow. But this wasn't caused by Lacey's own bad positioning. It was caused by Serin trying to crab out too far before the scrum was even complete and then move sideways (inside the 5m) rather than retreat onside back the 5m. Yet Lacey is getting all the blame. I agree about your comment that "the rules should feel fair", and in the future something like this might happen where the player isn't to blame and the referee is to blame. If that was the case I wouldn't be happy with the "he wouldn't have got there anyway" argument. Under current rules there doesn't appear to be anyway to redress this. IMO that is a valid discussion. But IMO the unlucky France / inept Lacey narrative is a false narrative. Lacey is the unlucky one, he's being made out to be the clumsy inept fool. I understand the urge, it was my initial reaction too, it's such a rare occurrence almost no one knew the rules. But; 1. I now know the rules 2. I believe the fault was with Serin Yet if you do a google search of John Lacey referee; [I]Rugby: Referee blunder hurts France once again New Zealand Herald · 2 days ago Referee John Lacey slammed on Twitter after another controversial ... Referee John Lacey heavily criticised after awarding New Zealand ... [URL]https://www.walesonline.co.uk[/URL] › Sport › Rugby › New Zealand rugby 'I could have tackled' - French furious at refereeing howler RugbyPass-23/06/2018 French perplexed why referee didn't cancel McKenzie try Watch: Referee Blocks French Tackler, Awards New Zealand Try ... [URL]https://www.balls.ie/rugby/john-lacey-391463[/URL] Lacey the latest under fire as All Blacks scorch in for 7 tries against ... [URL='http://www.the42.ie/lacey-referee-all-blacks-france-4087598-Jun2018/']www.the42.ie/lacey-referee-all-blacks-france-4087598-Jun2018/[/URL][/I] I've gone several pages in and yet to see one that says" Actually, Lacey was both right and even if he was wrong he was powerless" [/QUOTE]
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