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[June Tests 2018: 3rd Test] South Africa vs. England (23/06/2018)
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<blockquote data-quote="ncurd" data-source="post: 909255" data-attributes="member: 72205"><p>I don't see why people have such a problem with Ford as you do.</p><p></p><p>And sorry fly half don't grab a game by the scruff of their neck and single handidly win matches its fallacy that come from our psyche to misunderstand this a team game. I've sene forward lead the charge and inspire those around them but fly-half sorry it simply doesn't happen. Wilko never really did it and neither did Carter they both had monster packs as well to play with many of whom are consider for all time XV's.</p><p></p><p>In terms of passing game I've never seen Farrell do it as consistently as Ford does hell Ford has done it past two games whereas with Farrell does it once every couple of games.</p><p></p><p>Kicking from hand....its a bit like his running game hes a long way from his top form. He has been exceptional in this regard in, regularly so at one stage of his career. I actually think its more a tactical England problem than a Ford problem we are a lot better than we once were but we seam to utterly shambolic at times. I think our love of box kick it detrimental in this regard when passing it to the first receiver could yield far better results. Anyway I don't consider him vastly inferior to Farrell.</p><p></p><p>I will play a superior attacking option over a defensive one every time. And thats what you get on the Ford V Farrell debate, and Ford defensive frailties are vastly overstated.</p><p></p><p>Against Cipriani honestly I think there is very little between the two they pretty much offer the exactly same thing. But to go back to your fantasy rugby comment, rugby is one of the biggest team sports there is terms of of the relianace on the 'team' one person providing a bit magic can make a difference in a tight game but otherwise the superior team (on that day) wins every time. Team cohesion is build around systems and understanding how players play, part of what made Ford/Farrell so sucessful was the time they've played together since kids. Its why we talk about half back parings and units. By playing Cipriani we are breaking that cohesion for a like for like player and it probably won't yield better results because our forwards are completely shafted currently. More importantly we are shaking up things a year out from a world cup in areas which are not failing as they've put us in winning positions both matches so far. do you remember what happened last world cup where we still experimenting with starting line up even during it? I do and it wasn't pleasent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ncurd, post: 909255, member: 72205"] I don't see why people have such a problem with Ford as you do. And sorry fly half don't grab a game by the scruff of their neck and single handidly win matches its fallacy that come from our psyche to misunderstand this a team game. I've sene forward lead the charge and inspire those around them but fly-half sorry it simply doesn't happen. Wilko never really did it and neither did Carter they both had monster packs as well to play with many of whom are consider for all time XV's. In terms of passing game I've never seen Farrell do it as consistently as Ford does hell Ford has done it past two games whereas with Farrell does it once every couple of games. Kicking from hand....its a bit like his running game hes a long way from his top form. He has been exceptional in this regard in, regularly so at one stage of his career. I actually think its more a tactical England problem than a Ford problem we are a lot better than we once were but we seam to utterly shambolic at times. I think our love of box kick it detrimental in this regard when passing it to the first receiver could yield far better results. Anyway I don't consider him vastly inferior to Farrell. I will play a superior attacking option over a defensive one every time. And thats what you get on the Ford V Farrell debate, and Ford defensive frailties are vastly overstated. Against Cipriani honestly I think there is very little between the two they pretty much offer the exactly same thing. But to go back to your fantasy rugby comment, rugby is one of the biggest team sports there is terms of of the relianace on the 'team' one person providing a bit magic can make a difference in a tight game but otherwise the superior team (on that day) wins every time. Team cohesion is build around systems and understanding how players play, part of what made Ford/Farrell so sucessful was the time they've played together since kids. Its why we talk about half back parings and units. By playing Cipriani we are breaking that cohesion for a like for like player and it probably won't yield better results because our forwards are completely shafted currently. More importantly we are shaking up things a year out from a world cup in areas which are not failing as they've put us in winning positions both matches so far. do you remember what happened last world cup where we still experimenting with starting line up even during it? I do and it wasn't pleasent. [/QUOTE]
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