Kirwan - Ditch Super Rugby

Discussion in 'Super Rugby' started by QLD, Oct 27, 2009.

  1. QLD

    QLD Guest

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/interna...gby-says-Kirwan

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    I agree with him, Aus-NZ comp then a Hein-Cup format inc. SA would be better.
     
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  3. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Methinks he'll end up having a falling out with John O'Neil soon over this one...


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  4. O'Rothlain

    O'Rothlain Guest

    It's the better idea. I think the H-Cup has proven that (please no arguments, I'm not saying NH Rugby is better than SH Rugby, let's please leave that debate alone). The ANZ is such a great tournament, as is, and I hate to admit it, the Currie Cup. Boosting a more provincial tourney in Aus (like the Shute Shield) to that same level (which they attempted with the Mazda Cup or whatever like 2 years ago) would be brilliant. Rupert Murdoch won't be happy about it...
     
  5. gho

    gho Guest

    NZ doesnt have the financial might to maintain all those provincial teams. With there population they can support the 5 they have now and possibly another team in auckland. How are towns with such small population going to get the necessary sponsors and gate receipts to pay for their team and top players?
     
  6. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    That's easy - When there are more teams, there won't be as many "big" stars all packed into just 1 side -instead spread over the whole league - and the overall wage package for the entire squad will be reduce. Then, there will be more space for youngsters to play(in turn outplaying the so-called stars in the process) and more talent will develop as a result.
     
  7. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    Easier said than done. Especially keeping big name players in NZ. Major sponsorship is a must.
     
  8. C A Iversen

    C A Iversen Guest

    Which is what Kirwan is saying Japan would help us with if we were in a comp with their top 2-3 sides. They have deep pockets for the game and they'd be willing to work more co-operatively with releasing players for international duties and even allowing them Air New Zealand Cup time. It could be awesome. Especially with South Africa currently taking 70% of the Super Rugby money on it's own and Australia and NZ taking a cut each of the remaining 30%.

    I think we'd be surprised how well it'd work and it'd be interesting to see how much of the 70% that South Africa currently gets would be offered to them for competing in another comp. Japan seem the less greedy option with this idea.
     
  9. KZNSharksFan

    KZNSharksFan Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Oct 28 2009, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Isn't that because SA makes up >70% of the viewing figures though?
     
  10. C A Iversen

    C A Iversen Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KZNSharksFan @ Oct 28 2009, 09:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Isn't that because SA makes up >70% of the viewing figures though?
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    A large part of that viewership is watching Australian and NZ teams competing against yours.

    That should really not be the justification for such greed. It should be a factor, yes, but along with number of teams competing from each country and averaged results from each country. Australia and NZ put just as much into the comp and get a lot less out of it. Thats the kind of greed which has feeds the rich only.

    South Africa would end up getting more, but not as much more as they get. Besides, it sounds like Japan are more cash rich than us, bigger viewing numbers and they'd be happy to share.
     
  11. Jethro

    Jethro Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (C A Iversen @ Oct 28 2009, 07:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Isn't that because SA makes up >70% of the viewing figures though?
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    A large part of that viewership is watching Australian and NZ teams competing against yours.

    That should really not be the justification for such greed. It should be a factor, yes, but along with number of teams competing from each country and averaged results from each country. Australia and NZ put just as much into the comp and get a lot less out of it. Thats the kind of greed which has feeds the rich only.

    South Africa would end up getting more, but not as much more as they get. Besides, it sounds like Japan are more cash rich than us, bigger viewing numbers and they'd be happy to share.
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    Actually the vast amount of finances are put up by South African companies.

    Like what Kirwan is saying but still needs Saffa involvement imho.

    Reduce the Super 14 back to Super 10 and introduce his new competition imho.
     
  12. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    Japan isn't this land of gold and honey some people are making it out to be. Rugby, although popular among universities, isn't that well established. I'll be surprised if their viewing numbers are half of what Australia gets. Also another reason SA gets a big share of Super Rugby profit is because we are in the European timezone. Therefore we secure a very large combined viewership (SA + EURO)
     
  13. QLD

    QLD Guest

    Australia wouldn't have their own provincial championship, but have 5 teams in the NPC. The NH format is way better.
     
  14. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    I've got an idea...let's keep South Africa. Why? Because they provide some of the best competition in the world. They contribute to large amounts of the sponsorship. Because like in other threads have said, Australia isn't taking Union that seriously at all. I have all ready pointed out a solution on another thread, with many if and buts added, however Japan alone does not provide solid enough competition. We would be better off pouring a crap load of money in a domestic competition, and I do mean a crap load, get rid of Super Rugby, make a Heineken Cup style comp, in which the best domestic teams from both the Curry Cup, ANZC and include the Australian franchises and even throw the Japanese clubs in there as well. That way SA get their Curry Cup (but only for the sake of arguement 4 of those teams can make it to the "Nickdnz Cup", 4 teams from the ANZC can make it to the "Nickdnz Cup", 4 Teams out of Australia's non exsistand domestic comp make it into the "Nickdnz Cup", and 2 teams from Japanese Clubs make it into the "Nickdnz Cup", with maybe a few added teams from other countries such as maybe 2 teams from say Argentina and maybe 1 from US or w/e. This way Japanese sponsors will be happy, because they can now sponsor teams in this joint competition, NZ and SA will be happy because their domestic comps will be healthy, Australians wont be happy because they have not domestic competition, but I don't really mind that, and other rugby nations can be happy because they get to participate in a majour tornement. Again I went into bigger detail, however we need SA, and the only changes to everyones domestic competition will be an added level of professionalism, with a big side competition, and no teams will be cut at all.
     
  15. QLD

    QLD Guest

    we can keep south africa, just have a Aus-Nz comp (NPC) and let SA go back to its historic CC. The best teams from both competitions and the best Japan team playing in a HCUP format (call it the super cup). Problem solved.
     
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