Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by The Alpha Bro, Oct 10, 2018.
Three matches, in consecutive weeks v three RC sides... Jesus Christ no.
If there is no promotion/relegation then this will be dreadful for tier 2 nations
Please God no. So bad on so many levels. At the very least though the NH unions are smart enough to vote this down.
absolutely. It already is for tier 2 nations.
Let's face it some unions are scared of the prospect of relegation. Ask the French union. They're ******** in their pants at the thought it. They know they may face relegation eventually. Better though than the absurdly weighted point system currently used.
Why don’t the July and November fixtures come together as one set of 7 weeks, in September and October, replicating the World Cup. This creates a regular calendar spot for all internationals.
A 4 year cycle could then be put in place for this list, including RWC & Lions Tour.
The ‘middle’ 2 seasons, could be the World League, following the UEFA Nations League format.
League A 2 groups of 3 (based on WR ranking) play a home and away series, with a final between the group winners. Bottom team in each group relegated for next series.
League A, group 1, NZ, England, SA Group 2, Ireland, Wales, Australia (winners to finals, 3rd place relegated)
League B, group 1, Scotland, Fiji, Japan, Group 2, France, Argentina, Tonga, (winners promoted, 3rd place relegated)
League C, group 1, USA, Samoa, Romania, group 2, Italy, Georgia, Uruguay. (Matches played in for me country to save expenses)
1) NZ v England, Australia v Wales, Fiji v Japan, Tonga v France
2) NZ v SA, Australia v Ireland, Fiji v Scotland, Tonga v Argentina
3) SA v England, Ireland v Wales, Japan v Scotland, Argentina v France
4) SA v NZ, Wales v Ireland, Japan v Fiji, Argentina v Tonga
5) England v SA, Wales v Australia, Scotland v Fiji, France v Argentina
6) England v NZ, Ireland v Australia, Scotland v Japan, France v Tonga
i just dont think we need a new comp (although im keen for some change).
All we need to is make every team other than the hosts and champions have to qualify for the world cup. over the three years between world cups all teams will have to play a whole swath of teir 1 and 2 nations home and away with something actually on the line.
currently it seems only the tier 2 nations have these kind of important games.
It would probably make little difference to the teams that make it but there'll be a good smattering of important games over that 3 years and the tier 2 teams will get more experience over that period so may be better prepared for the RWC proper
Yeah this change won't help anyone except for two Tier 2 teams. The current system works perfectly well the two most common complaints are that
There are two many games between certain Tier 1 countries
The Tier 2 teams don't get enough games against the top teams
A relatively obvious solution would be for Tier 1 teams to have a minimum amount of games they play against Tier 2 teams over a certain period, eg 2 games a year or maybe 6/7 over a WC cycle. Right now most teams play 1 a year at most and it's just not enough for these teams to develop.
The other obvious solution would be to make everyone qualify for the wc which would be really hard to organise but if it was done well it could do wonders for the sport. Not sure that I'd trust World Rugby to be able to draw it up properly though.
not sure if you're agreeing with me or not, you say at the start that it wont help but then at the end more or less replicate what i say...
Yeah I'm agreeing with you, at the start I was talking about the proposed League of Nations, should have been clearer sorry.
OH! i can see that now, we got there in the end
That is by far the biggest negative in my opinion. Logistically it's a bit of a nightmare for any tour that isn't a combination of Oz + NZ + PI (playing in Oz).
I've not read the L'Equipe article. Proposal for three leagues of 12 teams, negotiations not going smoothly.
The IRFU will be dead set against anything that'll stop the 2022 tour of NZ I'd imagine.
Think the idea of 4 group of 3 in each division with finals would work.
For example group 1D could be England, South Africa, USA
1) South Africa v USA
2) South Africa v England
3) USA v England
1) USA v South Africa
2) England v USA
3) England v South Africa
Group winners qualify for finals, 3rd place relegated to Div 2
Ideally this would happen in the middle of a Workd Cup cycle and only happen every 4 yrs.
I would also like the international season to be played in one block August to end October, including 6N, but this would never happen.
I really don't see the need for this, just make sure it's not the same countries playing against each other all the time, especially several times in a row. That's what's making me lose interest in the internationals.
Not a whole lot new in the link below, but is it indicating the Rugby championship would expand to 6 nations or is it just getting a bit confused?
6 teams from the Six Nations and six teams from the Rugby Championship make up the top 12 i.e the top division of this world league. The bottom team in each tournament is relegated with the Rugby European Championship (REC) being the second division to the six nations and then the Pacific Nations Cup and the Americas Rugby Championship (ARC) acting as the second division of teams to the Rugby Championship.
This will decrease the number of games between T1 and T2 teams but then it will aid teams like Japan, USA and Fiji. Probably Georgia as well you would think. Any teams ranked below top 15 surely wouldn’t be happy as their opportunities are limited outside of a World Cup. I am very split on the idea, possibly more for than against but only just.
This isn't getting any better for me. To the detriment of most Tier 2 nations but at the same time letting World Rugby pat themselves on the back for giving Japan and Fiji a boost. It would freeze most countries out.
I'm dead set against any change to a Six Nations format that's easily the most successful tournament in rugby currently. This would dilute it completely, just because the SH countries are short on cash... Fix your own house ffs, don't knock everyone else's down. I've seen that the idea of taking the Six Nations of free to air television thrown in as well. Anybody who even considers that should be punished by death. This is what underpins the popularity of the game in the NH, take that away and all the progress that's been made in Ireland and Scotland could go away.
This new competition would either turn into an utter irrelevance that no one cared about or it would seriously undermine the World Cup and the Six Nations.
For all the talk about player welfare this would be a disaster on that front as well.
The only positive thing about this is that there isn't a hope of it making it through. Too many parties wanting to many different things, and it being obviously to the detriment of the six NH unions who should all be against it, if Pichot somehow manages to get this through he should be hired to sort out Brexit.
I can't see any of the current 6 nations and championship nations agreeing to any arrangement that includes relegation.
Latest article on the world league in SA, reiterating some of the points made here.
It suggests implementation could come as early as next year, Rugby Championship becomes single round with the addition of Japan and USA, and a breakdown of the format.
Also stated that each national team would earn between $10-14m from broadcast rights annually. Also no mention of promotion and relegation.
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