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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1056676" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>I'm not saying there was a plan to leave Argentina out. Please don't put words in my mouth. </p><p>From my own post, before yours</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I am saying that after knowing Arg wasn't there, they decided to go ahead. That is, unfortunately, a fact.</p><p></p><p>Forget the idea. Let's focus on facts for a second. </p><p>- 3 captains could make it, one couldn't.</p><p>- Previously, other captains couldn't make it and the event was postponed. </p><p>- Knowing that one captain was not there, they consciously decided to go ahead, take an institutional picture and use the picture and video for promotion</p><p></p><p>The question that no one has answered to me yet is how on earth did all of this escape every single major rugby news show/outlet in three countries where rugby is a reasonably big sport. Or if it didnt, why did they decide not to talk about it then, and then changed their position and talked only about it after Ledesma talked about it. </p><p></p><p>I am not presenting a conspiracy theory, i am asking a couple of questions, which i think are not only fair but quite relevant. I'm also venting and ranting a bit, granted. I am angry and discontent. </p><p>Why is something that is clearly newsworthy (they did talk about it later) wasn't considered when it occurred? Saying "no one noticed" is clearly false. Representatives and captains of 3 RUs and Sanzaar were all aware of this, and none of them stopped it. That is at least 7 high profile individuals, all of which could have single-handedly stopped this, and decided not to. </p><p></p><p>Again, i don't see where the accident/miscommunication/error factors in. They had more than enough information to know this was wrong. </p><p>I mean, did Kolisi or Savea were somehow tricked into believing Montoya was there when the picture was there? Seriously. </p><p>Well, after knowing that Montoya wasn't there the three captains thought it was a good idea to take the pictures with a captain missing. </p><p></p><p>It's as if asking any of the three to step up and say "hey, this aint right, i'm not doing this" is asking too much from them. I staunchly disagree. That is the least i expect from them. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I can speculate, conspire if you will, that some might think "jesus man, it's not a big deal, let it go". It is a big deal to us. </p><p></p><p>What i learned from all of this is not that there is a conspiracy to exclude us. Let me repeat myself because several here have already tried to strawman me on this. NO! </p><p>What i learned is that they don't give a flying turd if we're there or not. Which in my book is arguably just as bad.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1056676, member: 55747"] I'm not saying there was a plan to leave Argentina out. Please don't put words in my mouth. From my own post, before yours I am saying that after knowing Arg wasn't there, they decided to go ahead. That is, unfortunately, a fact. Forget the idea. Let's focus on facts for a second. - 3 captains could make it, one couldn't. - Previously, other captains couldn't make it and the event was postponed. - Knowing that one captain was not there, they consciously decided to go ahead, take an institutional picture and use the picture and video for promotion The question that no one has answered to me yet is how on earth did all of this escape every single major rugby news show/outlet in three countries where rugby is a reasonably big sport. Or if it didnt, why did they decide not to talk about it then, and then changed their position and talked only about it after Ledesma talked about it. I am not presenting a conspiracy theory, i am asking a couple of questions, which i think are not only fair but quite relevant. I'm also venting and ranting a bit, granted. I am angry and discontent. Why is something that is clearly newsworthy (they did talk about it later) wasn't considered when it occurred? Saying "no one noticed" is clearly false. Representatives and captains of 3 RUs and Sanzaar were all aware of this, and none of them stopped it. That is at least 7 high profile individuals, all of which could have single-handedly stopped this, and decided not to. Again, i don't see where the accident/miscommunication/error factors in. They had more than enough information to know this was wrong. I mean, did Kolisi or Savea were somehow tricked into believing Montoya was there when the picture was there? Seriously. Well, after knowing that Montoya wasn't there the three captains thought it was a good idea to take the pictures with a captain missing. It's as if asking any of the three to step up and say "hey, this aint right, i'm not doing this" is asking too much from them. I staunchly disagree. That is the least i expect from them. I can speculate, conspire if you will, that some might think "jesus man, it's not a big deal, let it go". It is a big deal to us. What i learned from all of this is not that there is a conspiracy to exclude us. Let me repeat myself because several here have already tried to strawman me on this. NO! What i learned is that they don't give a flying turd if we're there or not. Which in my book is arguably just as bad. [/QUOTE]
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