Lions-Springbok combined XV

Discussion in '2017 British & Irish Lions Tour' started by bristol-iain, Jul 5, 2009.

  1. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    OK so most of us have been arguing about the tests I hope to clear the air in selecting a team made up of the best players from either side.

    It will probably cause more arguing but thats not the point.

    15- Rob Kearny
    14- Tommy Bowe
    13- Jaques Fourie
    12- Jamie Roberts
    11- Bryan "earlier I said he was overrated now I take it back" Habana
    10- Ruan Pienaar
    9- Mike Phillips

    1- Gethin Jenkins
    2- Bismarck du Plessis
    3- John Smit ©
    4- Victor Matfeild
    5- Bakkies Botha
    6- Tom Croft
    7- Jaun Smith
    8- Jamie Heaslip

    There we go, now start arguing/agreeing with me, the latter hopefully.
     
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  3. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Swape Bowe for Pieterson, then I'd fully agree.
     
  4. feicarsinn

    feicarsinn Guest

    O'gara at flyhalf. 10 minutes on the pitch, ten points scored.





    But really can't argue with that. I suppose 8 is a bit of a tough one but neither of them did anything special in the first 2 games and I agree with you as Heaslip finally showed up in the dead rubber.
     
  5. Moonfire

    Moonfire Guest

    I'd switch Morne Steyn with Pienaar. No place for Brussouw? :(

    hmm... Juan Smith was pretty average, I don't think I would put him there. John Smit at 2, and that other guy at 3 (what's his name, I ALWAYS forget him...)

    Off topic: Imagine Os played in this Lions Tour. Would have been great to see the big man with a Lions Tour medal.
     
  6. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Opperstopper @ Jul 5 2009, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I did contemplate putting Morne in at 10 but to me Pienaar offered a bit more in attack aswell as being solid in defence. Plus Steyn playing 10 in a losing side hardly helped.

    Brussouw was again heavily considered, Croft was a bit more potent, same with no.7, it was a toss of a coin.
     
  7. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Opperstopper @ Jul 5 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>

    I'd probably have to kill myself
     
  8. Moonfire

    Moonfire Guest

    Why? :eek:

    His a legend!
     
  9. alexrugby

    alexrugby Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bristol-iain @ Jul 6 2009, 01:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    No country for Evil man :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    [​IMG]
     
  10. dangandan

    dangandan Guest

    remember the no.6 and no.7 are openside and blindside respectively in south africa so technically you've got 2 blindside flankers in that loose trio.
     
  11. KZNSharksFan

    KZNSharksFan Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bristol-iain @ Jul 6 2009, 09:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I do highly rate Jaque Fourie, but BOD just edges him because Fourie hardly got to play in the important games, despite his try in the second test. Switched loose forwards around because you cant have 2 blindsides. Brussouw was the only standout loose forward in either team I believe. F Du Preez, though not at his best, did bring a different dimension to the game which I thought Phillips lacked (namely an astute kicking game).
     
  12. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KZNSharksFan @ Jul 6 2009, 01:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I do highly rate Jaque Fourie, but BOD just edges him because Fourie hardly got to play in the important games, despite his try in the second test. Switched loose forwards around because you cant have 2 blindsides. Brussouw was the only standout loose forward in either team I believe. F Du Preez, though not at his best, did bring a different dimension to the game which I thought Phillips lacked (namely an astute kicking game).
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    Thats Mike Phillips, instead of thinking "a nice little cip behind the defense will lead to I try" which SH's like Du Preez would think Phillips think "CHAAARRGGGEEEE" and tries to bludgeon through. It depends on the gameplan, in the 3 games I felt that Phillips' "gung-ho" approach was more effective than the cheeky kicks of Du Preez
     
  13. Sir Speedy

    Sir Speedy Guest

    15. Jesus
    14. Bowe
    13. BOD
    12. Roberts
    11. Habana
    10. Jones
    9. Du Preez
    1. Jenkins
    2. Du Plessis
    3. Tempted to put Adam in, but he only played about 70 minutes over 2 tests, so Smit.
    4. Botha
    5. Matfield
    6. Croft
    7. Brussow
    8. Heaslip
     
  14. monkeypigeon

    monkeypigeon Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bristol-iain @ Jul 6 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    I do highly rate Jaque Fourie, but BOD just edges him because Fourie hardly got to play in the important games, despite his try in the second test. Switched loose forwards around because you cant have 2 blindsides. Brussouw was the only standout loose forward in either team I believe. F Du Preez, though not at his best, did bring a different dimension to the game which I thought Phillips lacked (namely an astute kicking game).
    [/b][/quote]

    Thats Mike Phillips, instead of thinking "a nice little cip behind the defense will lead to I try" which SH's like Du Preez would think Phillips think "CHAAARRGGGEEEE" and tries to bludgeon through. It depends on the gameplan, in the 3 games I felt that Phillips' "gung-ho" approach was more effective than the cheeky kicks of Du Preez
    [/b][/quote]

    Well in fairness to Du Preez, first he was kicking the ball to Lee Byrne and then Byrne goes off injured and low and behold....what comes on turns out to be an even scarier demon.
     
  15. from Lions:

    15=Kearny
    12=Roberts

    I cant see more players from them in the Best XV of the series.








    EDIT: You choice of the number 9 is pathetic. You can't be serious man
     
  16. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    1. Beast
    2. Plessis
    3. Smit ©
    4. Botha
    5. Matfield
    Blindside - Smith
    Openside - Brussouw
    8. Heaslip
    9. Du Preez
    10. Jones
    11. Habana
    12. Roberts
    13. O'Driscoll
    14. Pietersen
    15. Kearney

    South Africa 10 - 5 Lions

    Smit and Smith played in all 3 tests. It was tight between Brussouw and Wallace, who had a great time spoiling and stealing ball against Burger and topped it off with a few excellent carries and tackles, but Brussouw won the head the head in the first test.

    Heaslip was the top tackler in the first test, and was a bit hindered by Croft IMO in that he had to change his natural game.

    Pienaar had a great first test, and a very poor second test, Steyn is a great kicker but stands too deep and runs across field, doesn't hold defenders or threaten the gain line which puts the players outside him at a disadvantage when his pack isn't on top, like in the third test. Stephen Jones on the other hand plays very flat, and does hold defenders and threaten the gain line, makes more space for the centres and is much nicer to watch, easy decision.

    11-15 picks itself.
     
  17. monkeypigeon

    monkeypigeon Guest

    Agree about Croft in the side meaning Heaslip having to change gis game a bit but I don't blame Croft for that by any means because Croft was indeed being asked to play in a way that was sort of new to him in the test series....in that it's very different to how he plays for Leicester.
     
  18. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    I agree, but Smith started 3 tests, and while he wasn't at his best, played well. Croft was good too no doubt, not as good as Will Greenwood was saying "Everything positive the Lions did, Shaw and Croft were involved" (after the second test) :lol:
     
  19. Olyy

    Olyy Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Jul 7 2009, 12:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Beast>Jenkins?
    I understand maybe wanting an all SA front row, but jenkins outplayed beast in every aspect of the game
     
  20. Bullitt

    Bullitt Guest

    Beaset showed his ability to get away with boring in on a frankly useless prop like Vickery in both the 1st and 3rd tests, but he managed precisely nothing against Jenkins nor Hayes.

    Hardly an amazing series for front rowers, but the Beast wasn't special.
     
  21. TheBokke

    TheBokke Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jul 8 2009, 03:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    He is 23 year old lets talk in 5 years time. What a load of bull that he was boring in all the time.
     
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