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<blockquote data-quote="Nidhogg" data-source="post: 239248"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 06:53 PM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=372479" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>Because some people are born stupid.[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately.</p><p></p><p>Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States</p><p>alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale.</p><p>Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia </p><p>and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine. </p><p>It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?).</p><p></p><p>To me, that is being born stupid.</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>Yes, but while the illicit leftards hare set against Tobacco and Alcohol, mostly because they want a whinge about something. However, both are <strike>legal</strike> and perfectly fine in moderation. (And don't start spouting government advice about Anti-smoking, which is actually a publication funded by Nicorette and all the other nicotine replacemert product companies) - ASHs chief sponsor is Nicorette.</p><p></p><p>Cocaine however is;</p><p></p><p>1. Highly addictive</p><p>2. Personallity affecting</p><p><strike>3. Against the law.</strike></p><p></p><p>Oh, what was that...</p><p></p><p><strike><strong>AGAINST THE LAW</strong></strike></p><p></p><p>Ah yes. </p><p></p><p><strike>But hay-ho on another side of a different story, maybe Gary Glitter deserves a second chance. He's only f***ed a little girl in a part of the world where he thought it was legal. He's not an evil man, he just needs help...*</strike></p><p></p><p>*For those of you who took your stupid pills recently (IE those defending the use of cocaine), that was sarcasm.[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>First off, I'm <strong>NOT ADVOCATING ONE SHOULD BREAK THE LAW</strong>, I said he should be punished, to be more specific, he should be punished for breaking the law. My whole train of thought is aimed against the private use of drugs, and how I find it erronous that alcohol and tobacco escape this scrutiny, when they have a far more profound effect on the health and safety of far more people. </p><p></p><p>I'm a bit amused about the whole "alcohol and tobacco are perfectly fine in moderation" part. Obviously everything is fine in moderation. If you take tiny amounts of any toxic material, it will not/barely effect you.</p><p>The problem is that almost nobody uses things in moderation. Perhaps we should change the law so that such substance would only be allowed to be taken in a legally determined dose? And yeah, the anti-tobacco thing is bullshit, smoking is no biggie, all the studies that put it in the highest categories of death causes are nonsense.</p><p></p><p>1. Highly Addictive</p><p>Alcohol might not be as physically addictive as cocaine, that's true. On the other hand, it most certainly has addictive qualities. Apart from the physical addiction some people have of alcohol, you also have a very</p><p>widespread social drinking phenomenon (same as with smoking really). I know people who are just fine drinking a few beers with their mates, but when they are in certain settings where they feel the need</p><p>to prove something or keep up, they suddenly drink many times the amount they would normally. For a non-additive substance, it's surprising to see how many people can't seem to keep their hands of the stuff,</p><p>no matter how hard they promised themselves they wouldn't drink.</p><p></p><p>2. Personality Affecting</p><p>Alcohol doesn't affect your personality? You're kidding, right?</p><p></p><p>Let's pile on some more arguments against alcohol:</p><p></p><p>-destroys brain cells, possibly leading to brain damage.</p><p>-greatly disturbs the structure and function of the central nervous system</p><p>-moderate consumption of alcohol can affect cognitive abilities</p><p>-large amounts interfere with the oxygen supply of the brain causing a blackout when totally drunk.</p><p>-addiction may also inflame the mouth, esophagus, and stomach, and could cause cancer in these areas, especially in drinkers who also smoke.</p><p>-splurge drinking may produce irregular heartbeats, and abusers experience a higher risk of high-blood pressure, heart attacks, and other heart damage.</p><p>-can harm vision, damage sexual function, slow circulation, be the grounds for malnutrition, and water retention.</p><p>-it can also lead to skin and pancreatic disorders, weaken the bones and muscles, thus, decreasing immunity</p><p></p><p>Alcohol destroys more lives than all drugs PUT TOGETHER, the car accidents, the alcohol related homocides, suicides, the list goes on and on. I like how you just skim over that whole fact in your reply. </p><p></p><p>Also, if you think I'm left wing, you are sorely mistaken. Government control is actually a socialist feature, personal freedom a right-wing one.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Nidhogg, post: 239248"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Teh Mite @ Jan 21 2009, 06:53 PM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=372479']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> Because some people are born stupid.[/b][/quote] Because some people don't like having the government telling them what they can or can't do to and with themselves privately. Also, what I don't get is how you can be against recreational drugs, but not against something like alcohol. At least try to be consistent. Alcohol kills over a 100,000 people in the United States alone, how many do recreational drugs kill? 435,000 die of tobacco every year, the number of deaths through cocaine (and let's pretend he wasn't smoking crack) don't even fit on the same scale. Funnily enough, many death reports of illicit drug use come from a combination of drugs and ...alcohol. The government in the US tried to ban that, it ended up in being a huge kick start for the Mafia and other organized crime. Now, it's just another buisness, very much socially accepted. No-one looks weird at you when you pour yourself another glass of wine. It's a bit hypocritical to just go off on drugs, and wave away the drink (Howlett smashing up cars anyone, bing drinking incidents at French clubs?). To me, that is being born stupid. [/b][/quote] Yes, but while the illicit leftards hare set against Tobacco and Alcohol, mostly because they want a whinge about something. However, both are <strike>legal</strike> and perfectly fine in moderation. (And don't start spouting government advice about Anti-smoking, which is actually a publication funded by Nicorette and all the other nicotine replacemert product companies) - ASHs chief sponsor is Nicorette. Cocaine however is; 1. Highly addictive 2. Personallity affecting <strike>3. Against the law.</strike> Oh, what was that... <strike>[b]AGAINST THE LAW[/b]</strike> Ah yes. <strike>But hay-ho on another side of a different story, maybe Gary Glitter deserves a second chance. He's only f***ed a little girl in a part of the world where he thought it was legal. He's not an evil man, he just needs help...*</strike> *For those of you who took your stupid pills recently (IE those defending the use of cocaine), that was sarcasm.[/b][/quote] First off, I'm [b]NOT ADVOCATING ONE SHOULD BREAK THE LAW[/b], I said he should be punished, to be more specific, he should be punished for breaking the law. My whole train of thought is aimed against the private use of drugs, and how I find it erronous that alcohol and tobacco escape this scrutiny, when they have a far more profound effect on the health and safety of far more people. I'm a bit amused about the whole "alcohol and tobacco are perfectly fine in moderation" part. Obviously everything is fine in moderation. If you take tiny amounts of any toxic material, it will not/barely effect you. The problem is that almost nobody uses things in moderation. Perhaps we should change the law so that such substance would only be allowed to be taken in a legally determined dose? And yeah, the anti-tobacco thing is bullshit, smoking is no biggie, all the studies that put it in the highest categories of death causes are nonsense. 1. Highly Addictive Alcohol might not be as physically addictive as cocaine, that's true. On the other hand, it most certainly has addictive qualities. Apart from the physical addiction some people have of alcohol, you also have a very widespread social drinking phenomenon (same as with smoking really). I know people who are just fine drinking a few beers with their mates, but when they are in certain settings where they feel the need to prove something or keep up, they suddenly drink many times the amount they would normally. For a non-additive substance, it's surprising to see how many people can't seem to keep their hands of the stuff, no matter how hard they promised themselves they wouldn't drink. 2. Personality Affecting Alcohol doesn't affect your personality? You're kidding, right? Let's pile on some more arguments against alcohol: -destroys brain cells, possibly leading to brain damage. -greatly disturbs the structure and function of the central nervous system -moderate consumption of alcohol can affect cognitive abilities -large amounts interfere with the oxygen supply of the brain causing a blackout when totally drunk. -addiction may also inflame the mouth, esophagus, and stomach, and could cause cancer in these areas, especially in drinkers who also smoke. -splurge drinking may produce irregular heartbeats, and abusers experience a higher risk of high-blood pressure, heart attacks, and other heart damage. -can harm vision, damage sexual function, slow circulation, be the grounds for malnutrition, and water retention. -it can also lead to skin and pancreatic disorders, weaken the bones and muscles, thus, decreasing immunity Alcohol destroys more lives than all drugs PUT TOGETHER, the car accidents, the alcohol related homocides, suicides, the list goes on and on. I like how you just skim over that whole fact in your reply. Also, if you think I'm left wing, you are sorely mistaken. Government control is actually a socialist feature, personal freedom a right-wing one. [/QUOTE]
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