Maybe males won't be needed in the future.

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  1. Dmx#1

    Dmx#1 Guest

    British scientists are ready to turn female bone marrow into sperm, cutting men out of the process of creating life.

    The breakthrough paves the way for lesbian couples to have children that are biologically their own.
    Gay men could follow suit by using the technique to make eggs from male bone marrow.
    Researchers at Newcastle upon Tyne University say their technique will help lead to new treatments for infertility.
    But critics warn that it sidelines men and raises the prospect of babies being born through entirely artificial means.
    The research centres around stem cells - the body's 'mother' cells which can turn into any other type of cell.
    According to New Scientist magazine, the scientists want to take stem cells from a woman donor's bone marrow and transform them into sperm through the use of special chemicals and vitamins.
    Newcastle professor Karim Nayernia has applied for permission to carry out the work and is ready to start the experiments within two months.
    The biologist, who pioneered the technique with mice, believes early- stage 'female sperm' could be produced inside two years. Mature sperm capable of fertilising eggs might take three more years.
    Early-stage sperm have already been produced from male bone marrow.
    Taking stem cells from an adult donor - possibly a cancer patient - removes the ethical problems associated with using embryos.

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    The race to find a cure for infertility is global.

    Greg Aharonian, a U.S. analyst who is trying to patent the technologies behind female sperm and male eggs, said he wants to undermine the argument that heterosexual marriage is superior because it is aimed at procreation. "I'm a troublemaker," he said.


    Researchers at the Butantan Institute in Brazil, meanwhile, claim to have turned embryonic stem cells from male mice into both sperm and eggs. They are now working on skin cells. If their experiments succeed, the stage would be set for a gay man to donate skin cells that could be used to make eggs.
    These could then be fertilised by his partner's sperm and placed into the womb of a surrogate mother.
    Irina Kerkis, a researcher at the Brazilian centre, said this development is possible, but raises ethical questions.
    Laboratory-grown sperm and eggs offer hope for those left infertile by radiotherapy treatment when they were young.
    The experiments could also provide an invaluable insight into dealing with infertility, a little understood condition that affects one in six couples.
    Other scientists warn however that the research is still in its infancy and any treatment is still many years away from use in hospitals and clinics.
    There are also fears that children born from artificial eggs and sperm will suffer severe health problems, like the mice in the Newcastle experiments.
    Couples who have children from artificial sperm created from women would be able to have girls only. This is because the female sperm would lack the Y-chromosome needed for boys.
    Robin Lovell-Badge, of the National Institute for Medical Research in London, said the creation of female sperm is at least a decade away.
    Josephine Quintavalle, of Comment on Reproductive Ethics, a campaign group, said: "We are looking at absurd solutions to very obscure situations and not addressing the main issue. Nobody is interested in looking at what is causing infertility - social reasons such as obesity, smoking and age.
    "All these things would provide solutions which wouldn't grab the headlines, but a lot more people would get the response they want - which is to be able to have their own children."
    Mike Judge, of the Christian Institute faith group, said the Newcastle project flies in the face of research showing that children do best when raised by a married mixed- sex couple.
    "Children need male and female role models in their lives," he added. "Yes, there are children raised by single parents through all sorts of circumstances, but when you are talking about deliberately creating children in that way, that is morally wrong."
    Debra Matthews, a U.S. bioethicist, said: "People want children and no one wants anyone else to tell them they can't have them."
    An update of Britain's ageing fertility laws is going through Parliament and is likely to allow the use of artificial sperm and eggs in IVF treatment - but only for heterosexual couples.
    The Newcastle research also paves the way for a woman to grow her own sperm and use it to fertilise her natural eggs, creating a child to which she is both mother and father.
    Similarly, a man could be both father and mother to a child created with his own sperm and a lab-grown egg. Such children would be at high risk of genetic abnormality.

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  3. Brodizzle

    Brodizzle Guest

    First off, why can't you just summarise the article? Secondly I am pretty sure I saw a movie about a future with no males where something like this occured...
  4. nam97

    nam97 Guest

    What's the use on spending millions on such a pathetic purpose? Lol, are we really in dire need of sperm to such an extent we extract from bone marrow?

    Surely there are many more needy research projects out there that could use such funding, this is stupid.

    **Don't bang on me if I sound ignorant, I read the article's first line which was enough my hyperactive mind could absorb and then hit "REPLY"**
  5. Brodizzle

    Brodizzle Guest

    Pretty much, I mean, the only other way is through donors, and no one wants to do that because there are laws (in Australia anyway) which basically means in 20 years time you could have a person on your door claiming to be your child and demanding money or whatever....bone marrow takes that out of the equation...
  6. Dmx#1

    Dmx#1 Guest

    Humans are stupid, we're gonna end up wiping out ourselves before anything else has the chance to. There are scientists trying to find out a way to become immortal even though the earth is over populated. I read somewhere that the pentagon is spending trillions of dollars to try to make military robots (don't these people watch terminator or irobot?) and even read an article where scientists are actually trying to do some jurrassic park ****. This basically means we're all f***ed really, hopefully i'll be dead by the time all this **** happens.
    Anyway about the article I don't think it's a good idea to play God. I mean really does a child who was created from Man+Man or Woman+Woman sound right to you? I'm not against gays or anything but it just doesn't sound like a good idea. "Such children would be at high risk of genetic abnormality" lol are people gonna try and create centaurs and minotaurs next?
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