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<blockquote data-quote="Canadian_Rugger" data-source="post: 615355" data-attributes="member: 12699"><p>Sure it is a fair comparison. In actuality the sport is very similar to Rugby in a lot of ways</p><p></p><p>1. There is a clear tier of country's who are a notch above the rest</p><p></p><p>- Canada</p><p>- Russia</p><p>- USA</p><p>- Sweden</p><p>- Finland</p><p>- Czech Republic</p><p>- Slovakia</p><p>- Switzerland and Germany arguably</p><p></p><p>Then you have the rest who make up the numbers but are still fairly competitive</p><p></p><p>Austria</p><p>Belarus</p><p>Denmark</p><p>Slovenia</p><p>Latvia</p><p>Norway</p><p>Kazakhstan</p><p>Ukraine</p><p>France</p><p>Italy</p><p></p><p>So it's noted, every single one of these countries also has a professional league with their top players playing professional ice hockey. Almost sounds like the sport is better off then rugby. If we look in terms of money as well Ice Hockey dominates Rugby. Here are some money (In Euro's <span style="color: #333333"> €)</span> numbers for you:</p><p></p><p>NHL (North America) </p><p></p><p>Highest Budget: <span style="color: #333333">€</span>142 Million </p><p>Lowest Budget: <span style="color: #333333">€47.8 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €74.1 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">KHL (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Kazakhstan, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €52.2 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €10.4 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €23.6 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">NLA (Swiss National League)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €28.9 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €7.4 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €12.3 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Swedish Hockey League</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €12.5 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €4.6 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: </span><span style="color: #333333"> €6.9 Million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">SM-Liga (Finland)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: €7,7 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: €3,5 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: €5,7 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">DEL (Germany)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: €7,5 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: €3,5 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: €5,3 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Extraliga (Czech Republic)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: €6,4 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: €2,2 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: €4 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Ersteliga (Austria, Croatia, Hungary)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: €7 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: €1 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: €2,95 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Asian Hockey League (China, Korea, Japan)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: €5 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: €1,1 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: €2,44 million </span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Get Ligean (Norway)</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span><span style="color: #333333">Highest Budget: €3 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Lowest Budget: €500 000</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Average Budget: €1,49 million</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Source: <a href="http://forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?11337-Team-budgets-around-the-world!" target="_blank">http://forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?11337-Team-budgets-around-the-world!</a></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Going by all these numbers I would say Ice Hockey is far better off then Rugby and there are more nations that are competitive at the very top. You talked about the Olympics being the only real international ice hockey, this is not true, their is also the Ice Hockey World Championships which occur every year in May and the World Junior Championships which are going on right now (Top 10 U-19 teams in the world). Top 16 teams in the world compete with promotion and relegation from the lower divisions. NHL players do participate as well unless their team is in the playoffs. Technically it is not our best sides as over half the teams are still in the NHL playoffs; however, their is a lot of parity between teams and their are really no blowouts. The only time all players get released from their clubs is for the Olympics which kick off in a few weeks. </span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">I personally think the popularity of international rugby is grossly overstated, it is popular in (UK, France, NZ, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Italy and Ireland) realistically out of all those countries the only nations that have a realistic chance of winning the WC are NZ, Australia, South Africa, England and France (5 countries). Of course we could say that rugby is also popular in the Pacific Isles who are also strong rugby nations; however, I would point to this as a key indicator that rugby is a pretty weak sport in terms of its drawing power and participation rate if 3 countries (Tonga, Fiji and Samoa) with just over 1 million inhabitants can be considered to be some of the strongest rugby countries in the world. They also have no professional setups and are dirt poor. </span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">Right now rugby is a closed shop because the clubs aren't wealthy enough to tell the Unions to stuff it but again I will point to Ice Hockey as a perfect example of where the sport of rugby is going to be headed in the next 15 to 20 years. Clubs are going to get wealthier and are going to want/need to buy the best players they can to be competitive in their respective leagues. Eventually the SH will be unable to compete and the draw of big $$$ will start luring players away.</span></p><p><span style="color: #333333"></span></p><p><span style="color: #333333">The fact that the gate attendance for the entire Super 15 last year was 2.5 Million (average of only 20,000) shows me just how fragile professional rugby really is. Mark my words the day will come when the clubs will not be taking orders from the Unions anymore and the players will ultimately side with the clubs because that is who pays the bills at the end of the day. </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Canadian_Rugger, post: 615355, member: 12699"] Sure it is a fair comparison. In actuality the sport is very similar to Rugby in a lot of ways 1. There is a clear tier of country's who are a notch above the rest - Canada - Russia - USA - Sweden - Finland - Czech Republic - Slovakia - Switzerland and Germany arguably Then you have the rest who make up the numbers but are still fairly competitive Austria Belarus Denmark Slovenia Latvia Norway Kazakhstan Ukraine France Italy So it's noted, every single one of these countries also has a professional league with their top players playing professional ice hockey. Almost sounds like the sport is better off then rugby. If we look in terms of money as well Ice Hockey dominates Rugby. Here are some money (In Euro's [COLOR=#333333] €)[/COLOR] numbers for you: NHL (North America) Highest Budget: [COLOR=#333333]€[/COLOR]142 Million Lowest Budget: [COLOR=#333333]€47.8 Million Average: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €74.1 Million KHL (Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Latvia, Kazakhstan, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovakia) Highest Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €52.2 Million Lowest Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €10.4 Million Average Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €23.6 Million NLA (Swiss National League) Highest Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €28.9 Million Lowest Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €7.4 Million Average Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €12.3 Million Swedish Hockey League Highest Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €12.5 Million Lowest Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €4.6 Million Average Budget: [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] €6.9 Million SM-Liga (Finland) [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Highest Budget: €7,7 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Lowest Budget: €3,5 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Average Budget: €5,7 million DEL (Germany) [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Highest Budget: €7,5 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Lowest Budget: €3,5 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Average Budget: €5,3 million Extraliga (Czech Republic) [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Highest Budget: €6,4 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Lowest Budget: €2,2 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Average Budget: €4 million Ersteliga (Austria, Croatia, Hungary) [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Highest Budget: €7 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Lowest Budget: €1 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Average Budget: €2,95 million Asian Hockey League (China, Korea, Japan) [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Highest Budget: €5 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Lowest Budget: €1,1 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Average Budget: €2,44 million Get Ligean (Norway) [/COLOR][COLOR=#333333]Highest Budget: €3 million[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Lowest Budget: €500 000[/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333]Average Budget: €1,49 million Source: [URL]http://forums.internationalhockey.net/showthread.php?11337-Team-budgets-around-the-world![/URL] Going by all these numbers I would say Ice Hockey is far better off then Rugby and there are more nations that are competitive at the very top. You talked about the Olympics being the only real international ice hockey, this is not true, their is also the Ice Hockey World Championships which occur every year in May and the World Junior Championships which are going on right now (Top 10 U-19 teams in the world). Top 16 teams in the world compete with promotion and relegation from the lower divisions. NHL players do participate as well unless their team is in the playoffs. Technically it is not our best sides as over half the teams are still in the NHL playoffs; however, their is a lot of parity between teams and their are really no blowouts. The only time all players get released from their clubs is for the Olympics which kick off in a few weeks. I personally think the popularity of international rugby is grossly overstated, it is popular in (UK, France, NZ, Australia, South Africa, Argentina, Italy and Ireland) realistically out of all those countries the only nations that have a realistic chance of winning the WC are NZ, Australia, South Africa, England and France (5 countries). Of course we could say that rugby is also popular in the Pacific Isles who are also strong rugby nations; however, I would point to this as a key indicator that rugby is a pretty weak sport in terms of its drawing power and participation rate if 3 countries (Tonga, Fiji and Samoa) with just over 1 million inhabitants can be considered to be some of the strongest rugby countries in the world. They also have no professional setups and are dirt poor. Right now rugby is a closed shop because the clubs aren't wealthy enough to tell the Unions to stuff it but again I will point to Ice Hockey as a perfect example of where the sport of rugby is going to be headed in the next 15 to 20 years. Clubs are going to get wealthier and are going to want/need to buy the best players they can to be competitive in their respective leagues. Eventually the SH will be unable to compete and the draw of big $$$ will start luring players away. The fact that the gate attendance for the entire Super 15 last year was 2.5 Million (average of only 20,000) shows me just how fragile professional rugby really is. Mark my words the day will come when the clubs will not be taking orders from the Unions anymore and the players will ultimately side with the clubs because that is who pays the bills at the end of the day. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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