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Was your mother a crack whore?
Michael Vick was **** before he went to prison... now people actually expect him to be good after spending 2 full seasons out of the game getting jumped in the showers?
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with that said i investigated this and michael had about 320 throws completing at least 218 of them which is quite good for a mobile quarterback. Everyone forgets how good he was leading them 1 win away from the super bowl and getting to the playoffs a few times,[/b]
In a division where the 3 other teams were .500 or less, in a conference where an 11-5 record got the Falcons the Second Seed and a week off (11-5 in the AFC that year was a 5th or 6th seed and a trip to Indy or San Diego first up)... and even than he had an average play off game against an 8-8 Rams team before getting blown out by the Eagles in the conference championship.
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people say matt ryan is amazing, i think hes good but nothing spectacular like ben roethlisbergers first year.[/b]
WTF? Matt Ryan took over a 4-12 team which had it's roster gutted and a rookie GM/Head coach bought in and dragged them to 11-5, and he would've rewritten every rookie QB record in league history in the process to if it wasn't for a certain Mr Manning's rookie season in 98 - name me anything Vick at any stage of his career did that resembled what Ryan did against the Bears with only 6 seconds left on the clock.
Rothlesberger BTW took over a team one year removed from an AFC Championship, which had 2 Pro Bowl recievers, 2 1000 yard RB's, one of the best O-Lines in Football, a Top 3 Defence and a Hall of Fame coach, and passed even less than Vick, and he was hot trash in the play off's, the Jet's kicker bailed him out the first game before Bellicheat picked him apart in the AFC ***le Game.
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Jenkins however is quite a good reciever except he dropped to many when vick threw them from close range which made his percentage go down. The wildcat was created from vick in the league but wasnt called the wildcat this brings me to the conclusion that he could never possibly throw a good percentage because he didnt get to throw many attempts a game i think he threw about 18-21 a game whilst brady and the shotgun lot throws about 30.[/b]
Did you ever think there might reason why multiple coaches never let Vick throw... like I don't know... maybe because he couldn't hit a barn door at 15 yards or couldn't put even the littlest bit of touch on a short pass if his worthless life depended on it? Dan Reeves was more than happy to let Chris Chandler air it out before Vick came in, and he had Elway throwing upwards of 600 times a year when he coached the Broncos, yet he never seemed happy to air it out with a 50% passer with a 75 QB Rating... strange that.
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However some of his throws and fumbles where to say a let down but when he put on his running shoes like in my avatar nobody in the league could catch him. Id rather have a Vick than Brady in my lineup anyday because you can never teach speed but you can teach accuracy
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Care to explain for a guy who apparently uncatchable while running he was always one of the league leaders in sack's taken (he even beat out David f***ing Carr one year when he was still with the Texans FFS), the rushing stats themselves were also inflated, since sacks don't count as negative yardage for QB's rushing stats, but if a running back is tackled behind the line of scrimmage yards would be taken away from his total. And if you can teach accuracy, how come Vicks passing perecentage never showed any real improvement after 5 years in the League, despite playing in a West Coast offence?
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He had one of the strongest arms in the league although his accuracy could of worked on he didnt have any awesome recievers to throw to then but roddy white has got alot better.[/b]
Funny that, Vick goes to pokey for drowning Lassie in the forest and suddenly White puts up 1200 yards with Joey Harrington and an insurance salesman who got beat out by Kyle Boller 4 years ago throwing him the ball, before Ryan steps in and he puts up Top 3 wide out numbers.
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san francisco 49ers (alex smith is a bust and they havent had a good qb since joe montana nows the time to get one)[/b]
What do you call Steve Young (you know, the Hall of Famer who has the highest QB Rating and completion % in history) and Jeff Garcia (Multiple Pro Bowler) than retard? And Shaun Hill was putting up great numbers last year and almost took them to the play off's.
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denver broncos (the retards traded there franchise QB Jay Cutler away...idiots not that he was good but u dont trade a franchise qb away lol)[/b]
Jesus Christ your on a roll with your stupidity in this thread. Cutler not good? All he did was break records set by John Elway, no biggie, records Vick wouldn't have even been able to break even on Madden. And McDaniels got Kyle Orton in return and picked up Chris Simms in the process - also tried to get Cassel and want's to run the system he used with the Patriots... no room for a dog killer who can't actually pass there.
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new orleans saints (drew brees isnt getting younger still great although he would be used in wildcat formations if he went there)[/b]
Seriously? Just hang yourself... even better, dress up in a doggie costume and get Vick to do it for you.
Of course all this talk is irrelevant because gambling aspect of his crimes means he can automatically be banned for life due to the NFL having a policy of not letting players gamble on anything, let alone gambling on an illegal dog fighting ring he financed in his backyard.
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are you a f***ing idiot michael vick played prison football and basketball. Your even more of an idiot for thinking Jay Cutler is good come back to this thread in 3 years time and see if he has had many major accomplishments. If he can bomb out the steeler defence next year then i will accept hes good. The Bears traded away too much for such a cry baby quarterback who cries everytime he loses so STFU. He doesn't even have any good wide recievers at Chicago his number 1 reciever Devin Hester is a returner he wont be good at a wide reciever for another 2 years and talk about Cutlers accuracy He lost the game against san diego last year it was either they get into the playoffs or not he threw too many picks during that match he chokes in big games.
Chris Simms and Kyle Orton are not good starters your an idiot. McDaniels is an idiot drafting a running back in the draft when there is wait..... wait for it you f***ing idiot... 6 other running backs on the roster. YOU HAVE NO SENSE.
The New Orleans Owner has stated if has not crossed vick off on his list of free agents so he could still go there and many are saying he could even go to the Patriots because wait.... wait for it they have no quarterback for a backup if Brady gets reinjured.
Pro Bowls mean f*** all to the NFL its just an opportunity to get on a team and go to Hawaii in this case Miami. Did Ike Taylor go to the pro bowl this year NO! he didnt but hes one of the best cornerbacks in the league.
Do you know what a sack means you f***ing idiot. When he goes past the line of scrimmage he cannot be counted for a sack but a tackle. Your an idiot a real idiot.
Matt Ryan is an overrated quarterback Joe Flacco is a better quarterback who led his team further. The falcons have an easy division whilst the Panthers have Jake Delhomme on there team and whilst the Saints have a bad defence.
Please Jeff Garcia isn't good he isnt a top 10 quarterback in the league last year steeler backup Leftwhich is better so shut the f*** up you have no nfl general knowledge so get the f*** out of here your an idot and obviously a vick hater but has no sense.
