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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1104758" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>Quite a few thoughts. If you're bored, course. </p><p></p><p>The IM vs CO fight was a bit like i expectd but not so much. I think mentioned here earlier that i thought IM's standup was better than CO's, but what i saw was quite brutal. Did CO even land one clean shot? Clean leg kick? IM looked clean, sharp, tight. Very, very, very good. Nothing flashy but solid all along. The kind of stand up i adore. </p><p></p><p>I expected IM to take him down (no surprise there) but to go very slowly and safely after that. You know, tie the legs, secure position and then let the elbows go. I wonder what Gaetje and Poirier thought after watching the fight. Maybe that impregnable defense that everyone marketed as a death trap was worth taking a jab at. </p><p>I did not expect CO to get submitted, least of all, tapping out like that. </p><p></p><p>One comment about AV. I mentioned before i favoured IM vs CO because, other than a lucky punch ko, i genuinely couldnt (still cant) see what CO can do to beat him. </p><p>I do see how AV could win this. It's a long shot, but i do see a way. I still favour IM thouh, just so we are clear.</p><p></p><p>I place AV in a class of his own. Almost. Nearly all the greats either stayed a LONG time in their class dominating (anderson silva, gsp, etc) and bragging about such dominance, and even rightly so. Sure, GSP won the middleweight ***tle but to be fair, we won it against Bisping. And no disrespect to Bisping (huge fan of his) but he was not the greatest champ the division has had. And Gsp never defended that ***tle. He's not dumb. Even KN didnt do that. If you are so dominant and no one is at your level, why not just go up a weight class? I actaully cannot believe how journalists never cornered him with this. The only one that comes to mind a bit to counter my argument was BJ Penn, but you could argue that didnt end up well. </p><p></p><p>Now back to AV. The guy has completely dominated his division. He won... and they questioned the call. So he fought again. They questioned the call again. So he agreed to fight a third time (as his manager i would have done everything i could to prevent this from happening) and won, again, more convincingly than anyone expected. Against some pretty bloody good competition. Max is a monster. </p><p> </p><p>So having cleared the division, he did what a true, genuine natural competitor would to: he looked for a tougher challenge and called out both the best fighters in a category above his. You could add CMcG to the list, but i think he got very lucky with the draw, fought people who were 'circumstantial' champs and never defended his belt. Not giving Aldo a rematch was poor imo. From him and the ufc. </p><p></p><p>Two points about AV. First: He, unlike many who've done this before, challeneged the two best fighters of the division above his while both were at their peak. These are two guys that are arguably top 5 in the category ever. </p><p>The second point i want to make is size/height. Many of the fighters that could have moved up didnt, EVEN when their height/weight would have been a natural fit for the weight class above. AV is taking some serious risks in terms of height/range here. Sure, you can go with the lower centre of mass thingie, etc. </p><p>I think we all agree range matters. </p><p></p><p>I have nothing, absolutely nothing but respect for AV and what he is doing. </p><p></p><p>Say the weight clases were A-B-C. Most of the multiple weight classes champs were something like a B- saw a weaker category in A-C and took the chance. Or they were huge Bs that waled around as already Big Cs. </p><p>AV is not that. Sure he used to play rugby, bla-bla-bla. His natural wc is 145. He's never struggled to make weight, never complained about it and has tens of fights in that wc. </p><p></p><p>Hats off to him. Again, i think IM is the favourite but i can see a way for AV to win. He is slippery, fast, bounces back up and he can punch. Potentially IM will catch him, eventually, and bring him down. The questions i have are</p><p>How much damage can AV deliver in the process</p><p>How much damage can IM deliver on the ground till AV gets back up</p><p>I dont know. </p><p></p><p>Both have paces that are just ridiculous. Again, favourite is IM. If everything goes ' as planned' i think IM's plan and arsenal are stronger.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1104758, member: 55747"] Quite a few thoughts. If you're bored, course. The IM vs CO fight was a bit like i expectd but not so much. I think mentioned here earlier that i thought IM's standup was better than CO's, but what i saw was quite brutal. Did CO even land one clean shot? Clean leg kick? IM looked clean, sharp, tight. Very, very, very good. Nothing flashy but solid all along. The kind of stand up i adore. I expected IM to take him down (no surprise there) but to go very slowly and safely after that. You know, tie the legs, secure position and then let the elbows go. I wonder what Gaetje and Poirier thought after watching the fight. Maybe that impregnable defense that everyone marketed as a death trap was worth taking a jab at. I did not expect CO to get submitted, least of all, tapping out like that. One comment about AV. I mentioned before i favoured IM vs CO because, other than a lucky punch ko, i genuinely couldnt (still cant) see what CO can do to beat him. I do see how AV could win this. It's a long shot, but i do see a way. I still favour IM thouh, just so we are clear. I place AV in a class of his own. Almost. Nearly all the greats either stayed a LONG time in their class dominating (anderson silva, gsp, etc) and bragging about such dominance, and even rightly so. Sure, GSP won the middleweight ***tle but to be fair, we won it against Bisping. And no disrespect to Bisping (huge fan of his) but he was not the greatest champ the division has had. And Gsp never defended that ***tle. He's not dumb. Even KN didnt do that. If you are so dominant and no one is at your level, why not just go up a weight class? I actaully cannot believe how journalists never cornered him with this. The only one that comes to mind a bit to counter my argument was BJ Penn, but you could argue that didnt end up well. Now back to AV. The guy has completely dominated his division. He won... and they questioned the call. So he fought again. They questioned the call again. So he agreed to fight a third time (as his manager i would have done everything i could to prevent this from happening) and won, again, more convincingly than anyone expected. Against some pretty bloody good competition. Max is a monster. So having cleared the division, he did what a true, genuine natural competitor would to: he looked for a tougher challenge and called out both the best fighters in a category above his. You could add CMcG to the list, but i think he got very lucky with the draw, fought people who were 'circumstantial' champs and never defended his belt. Not giving Aldo a rematch was poor imo. From him and the ufc. Two points about AV. First: He, unlike many who've done this before, challeneged the two best fighters of the division above his while both were at their peak. These are two guys that are arguably top 5 in the category ever. The second point i want to make is size/height. Many of the fighters that could have moved up didnt, EVEN when their height/weight would have been a natural fit for the weight class above. AV is taking some serious risks in terms of height/range here. Sure, you can go with the lower centre of mass thingie, etc. I think we all agree range matters. I have nothing, absolutely nothing but respect for AV and what he is doing. Say the weight clases were A-B-C. Most of the multiple weight classes champs were something like a B- saw a weaker category in A-C and took the chance. Or they were huge Bs that waled around as already Big Cs. AV is not that. Sure he used to play rugby, bla-bla-bla. His natural wc is 145. He's never struggled to make weight, never complained about it and has tens of fights in that wc. Hats off to him. Again, i think IM is the favourite but i can see a way for AV to win. He is slippery, fast, bounces back up and he can punch. Potentially IM will catch him, eventually, and bring him down. The questions i have are How much damage can AV deliver in the process How much damage can IM deliver on the ground till AV gets back up I dont know. Both have paces that are just ridiculous. Again, favourite is IM. If everything goes ' as planned' i think IM's plan and arsenal are stronger. [/QUOTE]
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