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<blockquote data-quote="Prestwick" data-source="post: 110201"><p>Well what I meant was the grand European powers of the last 700 years (France, England, Spain and Holland) using Ireland in their little games against each other.</p><p></p><p>Ireland thought it had a friend in the continental powers, how naive. It doesn't excuse one iota what has happened in history but France, Spain, et al were no benevolent benefactors. Not in the slightest, if anything they would have turned Ireland into something similar to how Spain treated Holland before the wars of succession: their own little fiefdom. </p><p></p><p>Regardless who had won or lost in any of the major battles over Ireland, the island would have had to face up to being dictated terms by the victor. Whatever happened, the Irish themselves would lose out.</p><p></p><p>It is a little more complicated than that though, Ireland had many diverse groups, from the "olde English" (i.e. Normans) in the South to the native confederates. Each had their own agenda and this in turn meant it better to support on evil (the English crown or France or Spain) against another (a bunch of raving Puritan nutters from England or Holland). By being so fragmented, that never helped the cause.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Prestwick, post: 110201"] Well what I meant was the grand European powers of the last 700 years (France, England, Spain and Holland) using Ireland in their little games against each other. Ireland thought it had a friend in the continental powers, how naive. It doesn't excuse one iota what has happened in history but France, Spain, et al were no benevolent benefactors. Not in the slightest, if anything they would have turned Ireland into something similar to how Spain treated Holland before the wars of succession: their own little fiefdom. Regardless who had won or lost in any of the major battles over Ireland, the island would have had to face up to being dictated terms by the victor. Whatever happened, the Irish themselves would lose out. It is a little more complicated than that though, Ireland had many diverse groups, from the "olde English" (i.e. Normans) in the South to the native confederates. Each had their own agenda and this in turn meant it better to support on evil (the English crown or France or Spain) against another (a bunch of raving Puritan nutters from England or Holland). By being so fragmented, that never helped the cause. [/QUOTE]
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