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Nations cup final pen: Ruck or not? Please help
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<blockquote data-quote="Teechah" data-source="post: 1012838" data-attributes="member: 81389"><p>Hi folks</p><p></p><p>Can someone help me? The final penalty in the England France nations cup came when Itoje grabbed the ball in what appeared to me to be a ruck.</p><p>Now, the player who arrives after a ruck has formed cannot put his hands in. General opinion seems to be that the ruck had definitely formed and the ref made a bad call.</p><p>BUT...was it actually a ruck? and is it still a ruck if there is no opposition player?</p><p>This is what happened.</p><p></p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Daly attempts the tackle but the French player isn't held and gets to his feet...(no ruck)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Curry tries to strip the ball and hold up player...fails and immediately leaves the area (ruck or no ruck?)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Itoje waits until Curry exits (there are three French players around the the ball) and then moves in to grab the ball.</li> </ol><p>So my questions are</p><p>Did Curry complete the tackle?</p><p>If Curry did not complete the tackle was a ruck ever formed?</p><p>If so...is it still a ruck if there all opposition players have left the breakdown?</p><p>Should Itoje have been penalised for hands in the ruck?</p><p>If it's not a ruck, should it have been play on and just a turnover?</p><p></p><p>I've tried reading the laws but am still unclear. It'd be interesting to see what others think.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Teechah, post: 1012838, member: 81389"] Hi folks Can someone help me? The final penalty in the England France nations cup came when Itoje grabbed the ball in what appeared to me to be a ruck. Now, the player who arrives after a ruck has formed cannot put his hands in. General opinion seems to be that the ruck had definitely formed and the ref made a bad call. BUT...was it actually a ruck? and is it still a ruck if there is no opposition player? This is what happened. [LIST=1] [*]Daly attempts the tackle but the French player isn't held and gets to his feet...(no ruck) [*]Curry tries to strip the ball and hold up player...fails and immediately leaves the area (ruck or no ruck?) [*]Itoje waits until Curry exits (there are three French players around the the ball) and then moves in to grab the ball. [/LIST] So my questions are Did Curry complete the tackle? If Curry did not complete the tackle was a ruck ever formed? If so...is it still a ruck if there all opposition players have left the breakdown? Should Itoje have been penalised for hands in the ruck? If it's not a ruck, should it have been play on and just a turnover? I've tried reading the laws but am still unclear. It'd be interesting to see what others think. [/QUOTE]
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