New move to drop the Springbok

Discussion in 'International Test Matches' started by Prestwick, Jun 23, 2007.

  1. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

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  3. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    If I was South African i would not want it changed. When you mention South Africa a Springbok jumping around is one of the first things that enters my head, i had to Google protea to find out what it is.
  4. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    Its simple politics Munsterman. To be utterly blunt and non-pc the victors are airbrushing out the vanquished's culture, identity and past and are re-writing history.

    This isn't about "standard logos" or whatever, it is because the politicians in power right now never liked the existing logo in the first place.
  5. DC

    DC Guest

    dont the boks already have the protea and the springbok on thier badge, i think its the soccer team that needs to make their badge more like the great springboks!
  6. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    They do, but the government want them to drop the Springbok and keep the Protea.
  7. O'Rothlain

    O'Rothlain Guest

    Here's a Protea, in case you are like me. Pretty gay. "Hey, we're the Protea's!" F___in' South African Politics. I feel for you lot.
    Why can't the SARU seperate from the gov't? USA Rugby is not part of the American Government...Why couldn't they just be independant? It's as queer as an opal fruit.
  8. shiznit

    shiznit Guest

    i would probably keep out of this one... so far weve heard the opinions of a couple of poms and a couple of yanks. while its sad that SA would lose the bok it really has nothing to do with us.

    while i hate when politics and sport mix(esp the quota system) at the end of the day there govt is representitive of there people which gives them a mandate to do these things.

    am i right in saying the rulling party won by a healthy margin too?? its upto the people to let the govt know that they wont have a bar of it.
  9. intrudey

    intrudey Guest

    sa are never gonna win another worldcup the way things are going especially with the quota system
  10. O'Rothlain

    O'Rothlain Guest

    Boooooooo... :toss:
    It has to do with the Rugby Community, when it concerns RUGBY...that's why we're debating the issue on a Rugby Forum...
    Is that all I am to you...a "Yank?" I thought we had more than that...? :wah:
  11. goranski

    goranski Guest

    bloody yanks can discuss rugby too, we're not just about god, gridiron and the flag :D

    personally i think all these quotas and 'get rid of the bok' movements are bull**** - the government in south africa always plays the race card and imposes its own reverse racism - keep politics out of sport, especially rugby
  12. BigTen

    BigTen Guest

    Ultimately it is up to South African rugby to decide on issues that relate to South African rugby and not the government.

    The South Africans have a world-wide brand of "Springboks" and to do away with that would be like shooting yourself in the foot. The name has history, tradition and marketability.

    I could never imagine the New Zealand government demanding that the All Blacks change their name and even if they did there would be a huge outcry; and rightfully so.

    SA Rugby should frow some balls and tell the government where to go on this one and at the same time should also tell them where they can put their Springbok quota system.

    "...keep politics out of sport, especially rugby..." goranksi.

    A bit naive there, Goranski, sports and politics will always be intermixed. You would be particularly foolish to even think that they can be separated. It would be good if they could, especially in South Africa, but it is going to take some major work for SA Rugby to fight the government on this one.

    But don't worry as fans we will always refer to them as the Springboks or as the 'Boks and we will pass that down to other fans and even to our kids and grandkids. We will make it the unofficial name and simply ignore the "official" new name that the government gives to them. It will be just like all of the English football clubs that have unofficial nicknames that the clubs eventually adopt as their official nicknames. Eventually there will be a new government in South Africa that decides that it is okay for the name to be returned to the Springboks or SA Rugby will just be brave enough to change it.

    This isn't really too much of an issue.
  13. Prestwick

    Prestwick Guest

    So, because I'm a "pom", I have no right to feel cheated or disappointed by the fact that one of the biggest and most recognisable brands in world sport is going to be scrapped because its "not PC"? And I have no right of reply? Tosh sir, absolute tosh. I bet you voted for Helen Clark too (who, incidentally, says bugger all at the Commonwealth Heads of State meetings because, oh, we wouldn't want to antagonise anyone! Get some backbone you lazy Kiwis!)

    This is not what the people want. The government want to settle scores basically with what they see as the last remenants of the old order in South Africa and to be frank, I bet the people couldn't care less. However, we hear the magic word "apartheid" and suddenly, bam! It becomes a cause célèbre amongst the luvvies wanting to change for change sake.

    I pray that they do. I honestly pray that they do.
  14. goranski

    goranski Guest

    i'm not saying sports and politics aren't connected - it's just that they shouldn't be and their relationship should be minimized IMO for the sake of everyone

    all too often throughout history we've seen the ugly and disgusting side of how governments use sports to their own advantage for the sake of their own image and political ends

    personally i don't connect politics or feelings of national pride with my interests therefore they don't play a role

    again i think it's ridiculous that an animal in my local zoo is a racist image
  15. O'Rothlain

    O'Rothlain Guest

    Yeah...that's only because "Crackers" aren't kept in the St. Louis Zoo...I know, I've been there.

  16. goranski

    goranski Guest

    never come across a springbok with such title...
  17. shiznit

    shiznit Guest

    im not putting the boot into poms and yanks... im just saying weve yet to hear from some actual yarpies as of yet.

    it would be real sad if the bok were to go... but unless there people stand up and do something about it then you can only assume that the majority is fine with it. we will soon see...

    something else on this topic... i remember that Nelson Mandella actually gave the boks a dispensation from this change. what the hell has changed??
  18. BokMagic

    BokMagic Guest

    The reason why nobody`s heard from us Saffas here yet, is because it`s winter over here, and I reckon most Saffas are doing exactly what the govt. is doing right now, hunting springbok! Well anyway, that`s my exuse- been hunting some real 4-legged springboks this weekend that is.

    Anyway, well the present govt. can go ahead and drop the symbol if that is what they really want to do- but to us real Bok fans, they`ll ALWAYS be the mighty Boks. I mean, my old hometown used to be called Port Elizabeth, the "official" name nowadays is Nelson Mandela Metropole. Now, I have the greatest amount of respect for former pres. Mandela- a bloke who actually went out to bat for the retention of our beloved Springbok on many occasions, but to me and all of my mates, it`s STILL Port Elizabeth. As it is according to most road maps.

    So yeah, as far as I am concerned, and I think I speak here for the majority of Bok supporters- both black and white- the Boks will always remain the Boks in our hearts, minds and speech. No matter what a couple of politicians might or might not decide in a meeting.

    Viva Amabokoboko!
  19. Juggernaut

    Juggernaut Guest

    And to most of us mate. No matter the bullshit name they come up with, Spring boks will live forever.

    Long Live the Springboks.
  20. Ripper

    Ripper Guest

    Heres what the South Africans on The Silver Fern forum have to say...

  21. kbourke88

    kbourke88 Guest

    Better than a soft English Rose!! HAR HAR HAR!!

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