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I can't believe how much of a monumental let down Rocky Elsom has been. I mean, he's done alright, but the best player Brian O'Driscoll has ever played with? He had about five games to prove himself but was fairly non existent.
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I can't believe how much of a monumental let down Rocky Elsom has been. I mean, he's done alright, but the best player Brian O'Driscoll has ever played with? He had about five games to prove himself but was fairly non existent.[/b]
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I can't believe how much of a monumental let down Rocky Elsom has been. I mean, he's done alright, but the best player Brian O'Driscoll has ever played with? He had about five games to prove himself but was fairly non existent.[/b]
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Time to breed new players, so bascially probably an experimental game with experimental teams.
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Says a lot about the quality of players O'Driscoll has played with doesn't it.I can't believe how much of a monumental let down Rocky Elsom has been. I mean, he's done alright, but the best player Brian O'Driscoll has ever played with? He had about five games to prove himself but was fairly non existent.[/b]
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You have got to be kidding me! International thats a laugh. what do you think would happen if the allblacks played these International level teams, i don't think i'm being aggrogant when i say Tonga Samoa Fiji and Japan Would struggle to stay within 60points of the ABs. Thats not international.We have missed out that he was the highest try scorer in the Pacific Cup, scoring INTERNATIONAL tries in every Pacific match and I believe he scored 7 tries all together, and if people actually watched those game, they would realise his work rate was very high, and he also helped set up other tries.[/b]
Whilst i don't think beating the welsh would be hard for the ABs you make a good point. But When NZ sends a B team and goes through the Comp Unbeaten (i think we certainly have before)Fiji made it to the quater finals of the Rugby World Cup, beating Wales in the process, so I assume you believe beating Wales is an easy task, which is acheivable without an International standard squad? And is dosn't seem to be clear to a number of people myself included that the above mentioned are all faster then Hosea Gear. I would rate Hosea in the top 5 fastest wingers in NZ and within the top five for the amount of skill from a winger. I would consider not digging yourself into a deeper hole, as your opinions are appreciated, however your way of going about it seem to offend every which way.[/b]
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You have got to be kidding me! International thats a laugh. what do you think would happen if the allblacks played these International level teams, i don't think i'm being aggrogant when i say Tonga Samoa Fiji and Japan Would struggle to stay within 60points of the ABs. Thats not international.We have missed out that he was the highest try scorer in the Pacific Cup, scoring INTERNATIONAL tries in every Pacific match and I believe he scored 7 tries all together, and if people actually watched those game, they would realise his work rate was very high, and he also helped set up other tries.[/b]
dont forget that a lot of the AB's players are Tongan Samaon etc by birth so think how mch better these teams would be if the Pacific Islander born Kiwi's played for the country of their birth.[/b]
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dont forget that a lot of the AB's players are Tongan Samaon etc by birth so think how mch better these teams would be if the Pacific Islander born Kiwi's played for the country of their birth.[/b]
What is invalid about saying there are more NZ born players playing for Tonga and Samoa than there are Samoan or Tongan born players playing for NZ. How is that Stupid? I believe the only starting ABs not born in NZ Are Toeava Mils and Rockoko. I can't find any info on the Tonga or Samoa Websites, Hell even Australia only lists when not where. I can't find any NZ born players listed on Fiji's Website (though Takicabau who played for taranaki didn't have his place of birth listed). But anyway some of Samoa's best players (not necessarily their best but famous anyway) were born in NZ Michael Jones (played for ABs as well obviously) Simo Sititi (former Captain and No.8) I think Brian Lima Was Born in NZ (don't quote me on that) i know last year there were quiet a few but admittedly i can't name any.Fiji made it to the quater finals of the Rugby World Cup, beating Wales in the process, so I assume you believe beating Wales is an easy task, which is acheivable without an International standard squad? And is dosn't seem to be clear to a number of people myself included that the above mentioned are all faster then Hosea Gear. I would rate Hosea in the top 5 fastest wingers in NZ and within the top five for the amount of skill from a winger. I would consider not digging yourself into a deeper hole, as your opinions are appreciated, however your way of going about it seem to offend every which way. Again telling people to go do some research makes you come off as an idiot, and I have yet to see any really valid points from you so far. Yes NZ can beat Samoa, Fiji and Tonga on a regular basis, but to claim beating those teams is easy, and they arn't to international standards, especially with Fiji rated the 9th best team in the world, makes you sound like a fool.[/b]
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What is invalid about saying there are more NZ born players playing for Tonga and Samoa than there are Samoan or Tongan born players playing for NZ. How is that Stupid? I believe the only starting ABs not born in NZ Are Toeava Mils and Rockoko. I can't find any info on the Tonga or Samoa Websites, Hell even Australia only lists when not where. I can't find any NZ born players listed on Fiji's Website (though Takicabau who played for taranaki didn't have his place of birth listed). But anyway some of Samoa's best players (not necessarily their best but famous anyway) were born in NZ Michael Jones (played for ABs as well obviously) Simo Sititi (former Captain and No.8) I think Brian Lima Was Born in NZ (don't quote me on that) i know last year there were quiet a few but admittedly i can't name any.Fiji made it to the quater finals of the Rugby World Cup, beating Wales in the process, so I assume you believe beating Wales is an easy task, which is acheivable without an International standard squad? And is dosn't seem to be clear to a number of people myself included that the above mentioned are all faster then Hosea Gear. I would rate Hosea in the top 5 fastest wingers in NZ and within the top five for the amount of skill from a winger. I would consider not digging yourself into a deeper hole, as your opinions are appreciated, however your way of going about it seem to offend every which way. Again telling people to go do some research makes you come off as an idiot, and I have yet to see any really valid points from you so far. Yes NZ can beat Samoa, Fiji and Tonga on a regular basis, but to claim beating those teams is easy, and they arn't to international standards, especially with Fiji rated the 9th best team in the world, makes you sound like a fool.[/b]