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<blockquote data-quote="O&#039;Rothlain" data-source="post: 86869"><p>Being "the american" no, I am not a left wing cook, and in regards to Hillary Clinton, she can go stuff herself. I'm not a liberal. I don't hate my own country, nor do I think the whole thing going on in Iraq is/was bad. I, just admit, that as a group of people, we have a very narrow worldview. This narrowness often gets us in trouble with our foreign policy (ie, jumping full on into situations without the full back up of the other UN nations). In wars such as Iraq, it is not America defending America (even though that's what our government would like us to think). It is an international effort to end the reign of an evil dictator. Sidenote-regardless of WMD's or not, Iraq needed to be invaded, and Sadaam needed to be overthrown (not for the sake of worldwide democracy, but for the sake of human rights). Such an international effort, actually requires the cooperation of many nations (hence the word "international"). Unfortunately our government doesn't (or didn't) recognize that, and jumped full on into war, forcing those that call us "Ally" to jump in with us or "stand opposed to freedom." For this reason, the French hate us. My comments to our French friend were merely understanding of resentment, and an express of frustration at the continual media and government slandering of the french people (not government, because they are a load of corrupt ********).</p><p></p><p></p><p>Mr. Ripper's response was correct. The Romans kicked the Israelites out of Jerusalem in 80AD (***us), and thus began the mass migration into western Europe. They have historically had to fight to defend a land "promised by God" (whether you believe that or not is up to you), and were finally given the right to take back their home after the mass genocide at the hands of the Germans. Do I agree with everything that Israel does? No. But, as a christian individual, I believe that it is a responsibility of the Christians to help protect the jewish homeland. The main thing I believe we should do is work towards non-violent means of peace (I know that sounds contradictary, but some view the only way to peace is through violence). The Bible says to "Pray for the Peace of Israel." Sorry to stand on a religious soapbox, but when it comes down to it, my friends, we are in the midst of a long standing feud of the offspring of Abraham.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="O'Rothlain, post: 86869"] Being "the american" no, I am not a left wing cook, and in regards to Hillary Clinton, she can go stuff herself. I'm not a liberal. I don't hate my own country, nor do I think the whole thing going on in Iraq is/was bad. I, just admit, that as a group of people, we have a very narrow worldview. This narrowness often gets us in trouble with our foreign policy (ie, jumping full on into situations without the full back up of the other UN nations). In wars such as Iraq, it is not America defending America (even though that's what our government would like us to think). It is an international effort to end the reign of an evil dictator. Sidenote-regardless of WMD's or not, Iraq needed to be invaded, and Sadaam needed to be overthrown (not for the sake of worldwide democracy, but for the sake of human rights). Such an international effort, actually requires the cooperation of many nations (hence the word "international"). Unfortunately our government doesn't (or didn't) recognize that, and jumped full on into war, forcing those that call us "Ally" to jump in with us or "stand opposed to freedom." For this reason, the French hate us. My comments to our French friend were merely understanding of resentment, and an express of frustration at the continual media and government slandering of the french people (not government, because they are a load of corrupt ********). Mr. Ripper's response was correct. The Romans kicked the Israelites out of Jerusalem in 80AD (***us), and thus began the mass migration into western Europe. They have historically had to fight to defend a land "promised by God" (whether you believe that or not is up to you), and were finally given the right to take back their home after the mass genocide at the hands of the Germans. Do I agree with everything that Israel does? No. But, as a christian individual, I believe that it is a responsibility of the Christians to help protect the jewish homeland. The main thing I believe we should do is work towards non-violent means of peace (I know that sounds contradictary, but some view the only way to peace is through violence). The Bible says to "Pray for the Peace of Israel." Sorry to stand on a religious soapbox, but when it comes down to it, my friends, we are in the midst of a long standing feud of the offspring of Abraham. [/QUOTE]
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