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<blockquote data-quote="sanzar" data-source="post: 87115"><p>Wait a sec... CNN is the "liberal network"? ****... you guys are in deeper than I thought. Fox is quite clearly an adjunct of the right and are beyond mere spin, they often outright lie (eg: the recent Foley incident where they had him listed as a Democrat). CNN are still a conservative network and not worthy of being considered true journalists. You really don't have any media that I would say adequately fulfill the role of the fourth estate over there, and I suggest you should start watching BBC World if you can get it, because that is a far more balanced and wide ranging news network.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>Yeah, this is not a new tactic though, it's just that unfortunately most people don't seem to realise how new nationalism is and what it's original purpose was and still is... As you say, people in your country are willing to ostracise anyone who disagrees with the Republicans 'glorious war for freedom and democracy', never stopping to question whether their government is doing a good job for them on the domestic level (why are so many Americans seemingly apathetic to having an almost non existant public health system, one of the worst public education systems in the developed world, a minimum wage that hasn't bare moved in more than 15 years and stuff all social security left??? If a government with that much money can't provide you with such vital aspects of 'human security' then it has no business being in charge) or ever using the simple logic of international politics that dictates that countries are always 'in it for themselves'. States will not get involved in a conflict unless it is out of self defence or it is in their strategic interest, there are no morals... I'm not saying that all politics is cynical, but still, never trust a state that claims to have 'good' or 'god' on it's side, because that's a sure sign that they're after things they'd rather not admit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sanzar, post: 87115"] Wait a sec... CNN is the "liberal network"? ****... you guys are in deeper than I thought. Fox is quite clearly an adjunct of the right and are beyond mere spin, they often outright lie (eg: the recent Foley incident where they had him listed as a Democrat). CNN are still a conservative network and not worthy of being considered true journalists. You really don't have any media that I would say adequately fulfill the role of the fourth estate over there, and I suggest you should start watching BBC World if you can get it, because that is a far more balanced and wide ranging news network. Yeah, this is not a new tactic though, it's just that unfortunately most people don't seem to realise how new nationalism is and what it's original purpose was and still is... As you say, people in your country are willing to ostracise anyone who disagrees with the Republicans 'glorious war for freedom and democracy', never stopping to question whether their government is doing a good job for them on the domestic level (why are so many Americans seemingly apathetic to having an almost non existant public health system, one of the worst public education systems in the developed world, a minimum wage that hasn't bare moved in more than 15 years and stuff all social security left??? If a government with that much money can't provide you with such vital aspects of 'human security' then it has no business being in charge) or ever using the simple logic of international politics that dictates that countries are always 'in it for themselves'. States will not get involved in a conflict unless it is out of self defence or it is in their strategic interest, there are no morals... I'm not saying that all politics is cynical, but still, never trust a state that claims to have 'good' or 'god' on it's side, because that's a sure sign that they're after things they'd rather not admit. [/QUOTE]
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