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<blockquote data-quote="sanzar" data-source="post: 87553"><p>No. Quite clearly I did not say that. At the time the Japanese would have struggled to have launched a successful campaign against New Zealand and Australia. Geographically Australia is a very difficult land to invade. You have to have a huge supply line and that makes yourself vulnerable to attack. Also New Zealand is prime guerilla war real estate and even though a large force could take it the losses would be very, very high.</p><p></p><p>If the USA had not entered the war when they did the political and geographical shape of the world would be very different today. However to say that Kiwis and Aussies owe their freedom to the USA is taking it too far. I owe my freedom today to people like my grandfather and his brothers for travelling to the other side of the world and risking their own lives to fight a war that they believed in and not to a country that limped into the war once the two main protaginists had fought themselves to a standstill.</p><p></p><p>Oh and for all you conspiracy theorists out there the UK definitely held back intelligence on the impending Pearl Harbour attack.</p><p>[/b]</p></blockquote><p></p><p>But surely you could see Americas reasons for staying out of World War II, especially after the way they were slaughtered in World War One, why should they have fought in a European War? It affected New Zealand because back than We relied on England for everything.</p><p></p><p>And last time I checked, there is more to the Pacific than Australia and New Zealand, Japan rolled the British and the French elsewhere, and Darwin was destroyed easy enough, I highly doubt Australia, let alone NZ had the sort of Air Defences to stop that happening all over the country. Sure, your (and my Grandparents) we owe everything, but to say America don't deserve any gratidude for their role in almost singlehandily driving back the Japanese and retaking the Pacific, as well as thier efforts in the European theatre?</p><p>[/b][/quote]</p><p></p><p>We'd owe the American's something if they did it for US... they didn't, in fact it was directly in their interests to be involved in WWII, and if you do a bit of digging (ie: research, and not just your high school text books) you'll see that they were looking for a reason that would commit them to the war and even went to the extent of sinking German U boats (secretly and then leaked the information to Germany) to try and provoke them into attacking the US forces somewhere. The Japanese were nasty buggers, but in reality they were trying to achieve the same thing as everyone else... I know it's hard for a teenager to accept that real life isn't a cowboy movie ripper, but don't tell us we have to thank the Americans for WWII when they'd not have cared in the slightest if it was in their interest to see Japan take the pacific.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="sanzar, post: 87553"] No. Quite clearly I did not say that. At the time the Japanese would have struggled to have launched a successful campaign against New Zealand and Australia. Geographically Australia is a very difficult land to invade. You have to have a huge supply line and that makes yourself vulnerable to attack. Also New Zealand is prime guerilla war real estate and even though a large force could take it the losses would be very, very high. If the USA had not entered the war when they did the political and geographical shape of the world would be very different today. However to say that Kiwis and Aussies owe their freedom to the USA is taking it too far. I owe my freedom today to people like my grandfather and his brothers for travelling to the other side of the world and risking their own lives to fight a war that they believed in and not to a country that limped into the war once the two main protaginists had fought themselves to a standstill. Oh and for all you conspiracy theorists out there the UK definitely held back intelligence on the impending Pearl Harbour attack. [/b][/quote] But surely you could see Americas reasons for staying out of World War II, especially after the way they were slaughtered in World War One, why should they have fought in a European War? It affected New Zealand because back than We relied on England for everything. And last time I checked, there is more to the Pacific than Australia and New Zealand, Japan rolled the British and the French elsewhere, and Darwin was destroyed easy enough, I highly doubt Australia, let alone NZ had the sort of Air Defences to stop that happening all over the country. Sure, your (and my Grandparents) we owe everything, but to say America don't deserve any gratidude for their role in almost singlehandily driving back the Japanese and retaking the Pacific, as well as thier efforts in the European theatre? [/b][/quote] We'd owe the American's something if they did it for US... they didn't, in fact it was directly in their interests to be involved in WWII, and if you do a bit of digging (ie: research, and not just your high school text books) you'll see that they were looking for a reason that would commit them to the war and even went to the extent of sinking German U boats (secretly and then leaked the information to Germany) to try and provoke them into attacking the US forces somewhere. The Japanese were nasty buggers, but in reality they were trying to achieve the same thing as everyone else... I know it's hard for a teenager to accept that real life isn't a cowboy movie ripper, but don't tell us we have to thank the Americans for WWII when they'd not have cared in the slightest if it was in their interest to see Japan take the pacific. [/QUOTE]
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