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<blockquote data-quote="sanzar" data-source="post: 87616"><p>I'm not one to defend Islam ripper, I personally loath all religion and think we could probably do without it (no offence O'Rothlain)... my gripe with you is that you have a black and white view of the current conflict with Islamic fundamentalists... Your understanding of the middle east seems to simply be "They hate the west so we have to kill them all!" </p><p>Islam has more than their fair share of nuts, but do you actually understand why so many people in the middle east hate the west? Really, I want to know your take on this, because like it or not the reality isn't as simple as they want us all to be Muslims... </p><p></p><p>Why would I deny that the French tried to lift sanctions on Iraq? They considered it to be in their interest at the time, and so that's what they did! You seem to be mistaking me with someone who thinks there's "goodies and badies" in world politics again. But just for the record, the French aren't the only people from the West to have dealt with Iraq-</p><p><img src="http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p>As I said Ripper, I'm simply contesting the view that the US and the west are on the side of "good" as your emotive language suggests. We do what's in our interest, no more no less and in reality we rarely give a f*** who dies in pursuit of that.</p><p></p><p>Loose Change? Yeah, that's all a little bit much, I put it in the same category as FOX, just at the other end of the political spectrum.</p><p></p><p>As for Bush, well I don't blame him for anything, as he's so utterly incoherent and incompetent that I'm positive it's Cheney and Rumsfeld who do his thinking for him.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes, as a matter of fact I do. There were a number of factors turning against the Japanese, the major ones being their occupation of China turning sour with the rise of communism (though it took a while) and the ending of the war in Europe which saw Russia's entire army head to Manchuria for an assault on Japan (this, by the way is why the American's used the bomb on the Japs). The Americans were important in the war in the Pacific, but they didn't win it by themselves... It would have taken longer, but the Japanese were fighting a losing battle the moment they tried to occupy China.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sanzar, post: 87616"] I'm not one to defend Islam ripper, I personally loath all religion and think we could probably do without it (no offence O'Rothlain)... my gripe with you is that you have a black and white view of the current conflict with Islamic fundamentalists... Your understanding of the middle east seems to simply be "They hate the west so we have to kill them all!" Islam has more than their fair share of nuts, but do you actually understand why so many people in the middle east hate the west? Really, I want to know your take on this, because like it or not the reality isn't as simple as they want us all to be Muslims... Why would I deny that the French tried to lift sanctions on Iraq? They considered it to be in their interest at the time, and so that's what they did! You seem to be mistaking me with someone who thinks there's "goodies and badies" in world politics again. But just for the record, the French aren't the only people from the West to have dealt with Iraq- [img]http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/handshake300.jpg[/img] As I said Ripper, I'm simply contesting the view that the US and the west are on the side of "good" as your emotive language suggests. We do what's in our interest, no more no less and in reality we rarely give a f*** who dies in pursuit of that. Loose Change? Yeah, that's all a little bit much, I put it in the same category as FOX, just at the other end of the political spectrum. As for Bush, well I don't blame him for anything, as he's so utterly incoherent and incompetent that I'm positive it's Cheney and Rumsfeld who do his thinking for him. Yes, as a matter of fact I do. There were a number of factors turning against the Japanese, the major ones being their occupation of China turning sour with the rise of communism (though it took a while) and the ending of the war in Europe which saw Russia's entire army head to Manchuria for an assault on Japan (this, by the way is why the American's used the bomb on the Japs). The Americans were important in the war in the Pacific, but they didn't win it by themselves... It would have taken longer, but the Japanese were fighting a losing battle the moment they tried to occupy China. [/QUOTE]
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