[November Tests 2017 EOYT] Ireland vs. Argentina (25/11/2017)

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    Snoop I never said Kearney was poor just I think there are better options. But regardless of my opinion on Kearney you agree with me on depth at 15 and 9.

    On Luke McGrath. He got 6 minutes all series which isn't good. Marion style is best suited coming on against tired legs but of Murray is out I think McGrath or Cooney better options starting.

    Also FWIW Independent have RK as a 7 which was my original point. For every for there is an against
     
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    Again Snoop I've seen 3 giving Kearney a 7. But regardless I'd say if you'r basing your opinions on 1 game player ratings vs a poor Argentina game then I guess your opinion made. Can I ask would you post ratings of last game?

    But on today I said Kearney wasnt9best player on field. And in all your ratings I'v yet to see 1 stating differently. So could you get report saying that too.

    Also had look at who did ratngs of each and well it backs my comment earlier Leinster bias guys rated Kearney highly and non Leinster lowly as in 7. Only shock is Cummiskey only gave 8.
    And again you going out of way to defend Rob Kearney backs my other comment. Leinster fans will defend him and rate him to the deaths. Munster/Ulster/Connacht think he's done and will attack him and don't rate him as highly.

    Not saying I'm right just that the concensus
     
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    Waiting for links....

    I'd prefer to see more of an attacking threat at 15 but it doesn't take away from the fact that Kearney was very good today
     
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    Again Snoop another link and my point proven with you defending. You still on all links haven't proven anything I've said is wrong
     
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    You've got a firmly held opinion of Rob Kearney and evidence in front of you won't change that. We all have a blind spot, I'll never rate Stephen Archer for example. If you're always picking his faults, please be consistent and try to point out when Kearney did well and stop damning him with feint praise. There aren't three better fullbacks on the island.

    Kearney played well and firmly justified his selection. I' pick him ahead of all other Irish fullbacks at the moment. I'd also like to see a better option emerge. Tiernan O'Halloran looks the most likely.
     
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    Again. I never mentioned Kearney played poorly today. Simply 1 game doesn't mean all is back. In my opinion and alot others Tiernan O'Halloran, Carbery, Zebo, Conway and Stockdale are better. You disagree. And that your opinion. But way I see it alot others around Munster and others see it same. That's a fact regardless of right or wrong.
    But again thanks for proving all my points 100% correct.
    1. I said Kearney wasn't best back today. I said Stockdale and all your links agreed.
    2. I never said Kearney was poor bit Leinster fans will defend him. And you did.
    3. Kearney divides alot. You and me proved that together.

    See if you breakdown with what I'm saying what do you disagree with.
    Only thing I'm guessing is on where we rate Kearney but what else did I say that you disagree with.

    Also alot of reports say Aki wasn't great yet you said he was good. So my point f player ratings are gospel does that mean your opinion wrong?
     
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    It's not a fact. It's an opinion!

    You say all of this after he plays well. Give the man some credit when he deserves it and stop knocking him at every opportunity! Argue rationally when he plays poorly.

    Confirmation bias kicks in when you discuss Rob Kearney. Try be a bit more balanced. That's what I'm trying to get across.

    I've said for the last while that I think Rhys Ruddock should be in the team ahead of Peter O'Mahony. O'Mahony was fantastic today. One turnover around the 50th minute stopped an Argentinian attack when they were trying to get back into the game and was very important for Ireland today. It was his best performance in a green shirt since he was brilliant against England and earned a Lions call up as a result. I don't feel the need to say "he isn't rated highly as a player and many in Leinster, Connacht and Ulster think Ruddock, Stander, Conan, van der Flier, Leavy, Henderson and Reidy are better, that's a fact" at every mention of the man's name. I don't believe you need to bring your dislike of Kearney into every discussion.
     
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    But again I didn't say Kearney was poor did I? Did he do well today yes but equally I think other guys I mentioned could have done just as well of not better. That' my opinion.
    And O'Mahony comment is BS. You look at alot of Leinster fans they gave Stander same treatment Kearney gets and Zebo and he'l even Earls so that' utter bull what you are pointing out. You might not but sorry it is 2 way traffic. Alpha is just as critical on Zebo at times as I am on Kearney.

    And you are stating it not a fact alot of people don't rate Kearney as Best 15 in Ireland. Wow. Is all I will say there. You think if a poll was done on that question Kearney would come out at #1?
    Run that in any province outside Leinster and see results.

    And of what you quoted that is my opinion on how I rate him overall. How is that being rational. In some views people will look at block down. It's just as I say. You'll defend him as a Leinster fan. I'v done same on here for Earls Stander Zebo and now that you mention O'Mahony I think you should take trip back to RWC15 or England game to see views on POM and Stander. Even new Zealand game in Chicago re Stander. If you think it only bias when it come to Kearney you simply choosing what you want to see.
    Expected better of you.

    As I said you still haven't shown where I'm personally wrong. And don't have personal dislike for Kearney. Think he was a great player in top form just think he's lost that top form and there are better options. Am I only 1 in world who thinks that? I'm guessing no and think that is a FACT.
    Am I right? Never said once I was

    Fact is it annoys alot that 1 game against a poor Argentina team didn't change my find.
    As I said Earls got no credit after RWC by alot on Leinster. It normal. It not 1 way traffic but just way it is
     
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    I felt a bit meh after winning. I didn't like seeing Ireland ship 19 points so carelessly (although that last try was a bit of a fiasco and iffy but whatevs). But Argentina played really well and credit to them, I'm glad they finished the season on a bit of a high (relatively speaking at least). Also when you think of how inexperienced the backline was, it doesn't seem as bad. At the end of the day we still won, and the Pumas troubled England in much the same way they did us today. They're just a tough team to break down.

    The Home Nations are on a bit of a buzz at the moment, the next 6N could be vintage. Even Wales who are the weakest of the 4 at the moment are showing signs of promise. Plus they always ramp it up for the 6N especially against Ireland. I have to say I'm particularly pumped for the Scotland match!

    FWIW I thought Kearney was class today and for big games, I would still start Kearney. I've never really been in the anti-Kearney train of thought anyways but I really thought this game showed that he still has it. Maybe not to the capacity he used to, but still more so than any FB at the moment. "Fact is" that bar Kearney, Conway is our only real FB with Test experience atm and he is still fresh. I honestly can't see Schmidt not starting Kearney for the 6N and I think we all know that so if people could stop going on and on and on and on and on about Kearney that'd be great. I hope he has kids who also develop into FBs and continually get picked for Ireland.

    Also, I cannot stand Irish commentary. It is so bad. So annoyingly biased it made it hard to watch at times. In one way I was glad Argentina started scoring just so they would shut the fvck up.
     
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    On bit about Kearney and other options. I did state that was an issue. Our depth at 15 too. But agree with rest of post too
     
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    What would your starting fifteen be if everyone was available for this team?
     
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