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[November Tests 2017 EOYT] Scotland vs. New Zealand (18/11/2017)
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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 880148" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>Reads "That's an outdated view" continues to talk about the past while missing the point. </p><p></p><p>The travel for the SH teams isn't tougher than the extra matches we play here, we play more because we can but it all adds up to be equal. </p><p></p><p>I'd agree with your point about the RC being a tougher format if it wasn't full of bum teams right now, without NZ around England would sweep that tournament and Ireland would win it. Ireland smashed SA last week, will smash Argentina next week and beat Australia at home and SA away with weakened sides in 2016, I could see us losing an away game in Aus or SA late in the tournament but we'd be hot favourites. The quality of rugby has been **** poor in the RC with the exception of NZ since the RWC, the 6n has seen a marked improvement in it's top three sides. </p><p></p><p>7:1 in RWCs because of the RC's "sustained pressure" is reaching so far it's unbelievable, first of all you can discount the first three because the tournament didn't exist until 1996 and even then NZ, Aus and SA have all been better than the NH sides throughout history, rugby is the national sport of NZ and the de facto national sport of SA while it's probably 4th in both England and Ireland and second in Wales (for the past few decades) and Scotland. The SH has won more RWCs because they are always better, they aren't right now, with the probable exception of NZ. This analogy doesn't even work with the last RWC, England were a mess because the coaches were at odds with each other and there was a complete systems failure. Ireland lost Paul O'Connell, Sean O'Brien, Peter O'Mahoney, Jared Payne and Johnny Sexton between their last group stage match and Argentina four of which were long term injuries, one career ender, that can't be put down to not being able to play consecutive weeks, also after putting the minnows away Ireland beat Italy and then France so considering Italy are a walk in the park all they had to do was play two games in two weeks the second against Argentina and the 6n has teams more than prepped for that further debunking this theory. In reality, even outside of those injuries Argentina had the advantage of playing NZ first and then tier two sides throughout the rest of the pool, we'll see how Ireland use this advantage in 2019.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 880148, member: 45598"] Reads "That's an outdated view" continues to talk about the past while missing the point. The travel for the SH teams isn't tougher than the extra matches we play here, we play more because we can but it all adds up to be equal. I'd agree with your point about the RC being a tougher format if it wasn't full of bum teams right now, without NZ around England would sweep that tournament and Ireland would win it. Ireland smashed SA last week, will smash Argentina next week and beat Australia at home and SA away with weakened sides in 2016, I could see us losing an away game in Aus or SA late in the tournament but we'd be hot favourites. The quality of rugby has been **** poor in the RC with the exception of NZ since the RWC, the 6n has seen a marked improvement in it's top three sides. 7:1 in RWCs because of the RC's "sustained pressure" is reaching so far it's unbelievable, first of all you can discount the first three because the tournament didn't exist until 1996 and even then NZ, Aus and SA have all been better than the NH sides throughout history, rugby is the national sport of NZ and the de facto national sport of SA while it's probably 4th in both England and Ireland and second in Wales (for the past few decades) and Scotland. The SH has won more RWCs because they are always better, they aren't right now, with the probable exception of NZ. This analogy doesn't even work with the last RWC, England were a mess because the coaches were at odds with each other and there was a complete systems failure. Ireland lost Paul O'Connell, Sean O'Brien, Peter O'Mahoney, Jared Payne and Johnny Sexton between their last group stage match and Argentina four of which were long term injuries, one career ender, that can't be put down to not being able to play consecutive weeks, also after putting the minnows away Ireland beat Italy and then France so considering Italy are a walk in the park all they had to do was play two games in two weeks the second against Argentina and the 6n has teams more than prepped for that further debunking this theory. In reality, even outside of those injuries Argentina had the advantage of playing NZ first and then tier two sides throughout the rest of the pool, we'll see how Ireland use this advantage in 2019. [/QUOTE]
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