Menu
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles and first posts only
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Help Support The Rugby Forum :
Forums
Rugby Union
International Test Matches
[November Tests 2017 EOYT] Wales vs. South Africa (02/12/2017)
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="SomeOke" data-source="post: 881796" data-attributes="member: 59145"><p>The kind of games make me appreciate Gatland (Ii'm fully aware he's one dimensional), he identified the attacking kick as a weakness for us and exploited it hard. Every time the welsh had the ball from 50 meters plus, Biggar took a kicking gamble and in the first 30 minutes that equaled 24 points.</p><p></p><p>As for the basics of the game I feel we had the edge, a dominant scrum, a decent gain line attack, good defense (outside of the high ball).</p><p></p><p>End of story the Welsh played smarter and better. The situation in South Africa is sad, honestly I'm numb to defeats, every weekend I convince myself we're going to win, and end up making excuses and take the hit, much like a beaten spouse I keep coming back despite the fact that logic says we will lose.</p><p></p><p>Something to emphasis is this; the divide between North and South between rugby nations is long gone, this is the third loss to Wales in a row, Ireland are categorically better and most of the UK nations are going from strength to strength .</p><p>England/Ireland/Scotland/Wales be proud of your lads, I know there are reasons to gripe but your players care, unlike the Bokke there is no breaking point for you guys, you show a lot of heart and should be commended.</p><p></p><p>I can't emphasize enough that it's not just the Bokke playing badly, it's its a strong performance by a mentally tough side. Congrats Wales, you are quality, made to look less so by the other quality sides you play in the 6n.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As for the Springboks I truly hope the coach is responsible for what is happening at the moment. Surely we have enough talent to at least be in the top 5 nations in the world.</p><p>For what it's worth I thought our props were good, Marx was good in every aspect other than line outs, our back line was aggressively mediocre but OK, playing Gelant out of position was madness, the Bulls consistently played Gelant at 23 to avoid that (despite his class), Kolisi is quality but needs to have better decision making if he wants to be the match winner he can be, Leyds, Cronje and Venter were fine, but some of the other backs looked like they were confused and didn't want to be there, I really hope, HOPE this is a fixable stage, otherwise the future narrative is very obviously the home nations and New Zealand. I still refuse to believe quota's and politics are wholly responsible for our downfall, purely for my own sanity.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Bottom line this year we won 7 games out of 13 (53% win rate). 4 of those wins were against a poor France, 2 were against a poor Argentina and 1 was against Italy, is this an acceptable standard for the Springboks? We can't beat Aus, we can't beat any of the home nations (even a 2nd string Welsh side) fair play, we're miles away from beating NZ. Is this a good enough performance for Bok side.</p><p></p><p>Do we just not have the players? To me this narrative just doesn't make sense, Saffer players find success all over the world, Flouw, Pienaar, Lambie, Stander these players are considered second string in terms of Bok internationals, yet deliver performances at club level. SURELY it's not a lack of talent we HAVE to do better, time for a complete change in coaching staff end of story.</p><p>Our team is in desperate need of leadership, brains and charisma. I will NEVER stop supporting the Bokke but I'm incredibly despondent at the moment.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SomeOke, post: 881796, member: 59145"] The kind of games make me appreciate Gatland (Ii'm fully aware he's one dimensional), he identified the attacking kick as a weakness for us and exploited it hard. Every time the welsh had the ball from 50 meters plus, Biggar took a kicking gamble and in the first 30 minutes that equaled 24 points. As for the basics of the game I feel we had the edge, a dominant scrum, a decent gain line attack, good defense (outside of the high ball). End of story the Welsh played smarter and better. The situation in South Africa is sad, honestly I'm numb to defeats, every weekend I convince myself we're going to win, and end up making excuses and take the hit, much like a beaten spouse I keep coming back despite the fact that logic says we will lose. Something to emphasis is this; the divide between North and South between rugby nations is long gone, this is the third loss to Wales in a row, Ireland are categorically better and most of the UK nations are going from strength to strength . England/Ireland/Scotland/Wales be proud of your lads, I know there are reasons to gripe but your players care, unlike the Bokke there is no breaking point for you guys, you show a lot of heart and should be commended. I can't emphasize enough that it's not just the Bokke playing badly, it's its a strong performance by a mentally tough side. Congrats Wales, you are quality, made to look less so by the other quality sides you play in the 6n. As for the Springboks I truly hope the coach is responsible for what is happening at the moment. Surely we have enough talent to at least be in the top 5 nations in the world. For what it's worth I thought our props were good, Marx was good in every aspect other than line outs, our back line was aggressively mediocre but OK, playing Gelant out of position was madness, the Bulls consistently played Gelant at 23 to avoid that (despite his class), Kolisi is quality but needs to have better decision making if he wants to be the match winner he can be, Leyds, Cronje and Venter were fine, but some of the other backs looked like they were confused and didn't want to be there, I really hope, HOPE this is a fixable stage, otherwise the future narrative is very obviously the home nations and New Zealand. I still refuse to believe quota's and politics are wholly responsible for our downfall, purely for my own sanity. Bottom line this year we won 7 games out of 13 (53% win rate). 4 of those wins were against a poor France, 2 were against a poor Argentina and 1 was against Italy, is this an acceptable standard for the Springboks? We can't beat Aus, we can't beat any of the home nations (even a 2nd string Welsh side) fair play, we're miles away from beating NZ. Is this a good enough performance for Bok side. Do we just not have the players? To me this narrative just doesn't make sense, Saffer players find success all over the world, Flouw, Pienaar, Lambie, Stander these players are considered second string in terms of Bok internationals, yet deliver performances at club level. SURELY it's not a lack of talent we HAVE to do better, time for a complete change in coaching staff end of story. Our team is in desperate need of leadership, brains and charisma. I will NEVER stop supporting the Bokke but I'm incredibly despondent at the moment. [/QUOTE]
Verification
Post reply
Forums
Rugby Union
International Test Matches
[November Tests 2017 EOYT] Wales vs. South Africa (02/12/2017)
Top