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[November Tests 2017 EOYT] Wales vs. South Africa (02/12/2017)
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<blockquote data-quote="Mrs. Peter Quinn" data-source="post: 881812" data-attributes="member: 12190"><p>For me, one for the detractors would be a win against a strong team playing good rugby or a win against someone you typically struggle to beat, in a way that proves in some way the detractors wrong about the reservations they might have about the ability of a squad and their coaches to succeed or about the way they are trying to play.</p><p></p><p>I just don't see how Wales have stuck one to the detractors given the above definition. Maybe if Wales had continued in the same vein of their initial 20 minutes I'd say differently but it became a close game against a poor bokke side who are in a very sorry place. By the way, you weren't the only second string lineup yesterday - surely you saw the springbok 23? </p><p></p><p>Wales need to be aware of how often they fall back on the 'green shoots' narrative even after repeating history in the autumn games. Gatland shouldn't be let off the hook that easily..</p><p></p><p>P.s I'm aware that some things have been tried recently with Wales which suggest positive change, for example the second playmaker idea. But honestly I find it a bit embarassing how long its taken for Gatland to think of that as an option. Did it really take a lions tour, losing the first test and seeing Farrell and sexton take control themselves for him to acknowledge it as a possibility in general for Wales? The pace of change under gatland compared to other nations has been glacial and again, he shouldn't get off the hook for that.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mrs. Peter Quinn, post: 881812, member: 12190"] For me, one for the detractors would be a win against a strong team playing good rugby or a win against someone you typically struggle to beat, in a way that proves in some way the detractors wrong about the reservations they might have about the ability of a squad and their coaches to succeed or about the way they are trying to play. I just don't see how Wales have stuck one to the detractors given the above definition. Maybe if Wales had continued in the same vein of their initial 20 minutes I'd say differently but it became a close game against a poor bokke side who are in a very sorry place. By the way, you weren't the only second string lineup yesterday - surely you saw the springbok 23? Wales need to be aware of how often they fall back on the 'green shoots' narrative even after repeating history in the autumn games. Gatland shouldn't be let off the hook that easily.. P.s I'm aware that some things have been tried recently with Wales which suggest positive change, for example the second playmaker idea. But honestly I find it a bit embarassing how long its taken for Gatland to think of that as an option. Did it really take a lions tour, losing the first test and seeing Farrell and sexton take control themselves for him to acknowledge it as a possibility in general for Wales? The pace of change under gatland compared to other nations has been glacial and again, he shouldn't get off the hook for that. [/QUOTE]
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