NRL judiciary debate

Discussion in 'NRL / Southern Hemisphere' started by esoj, Aug 23, 2006.

  1. esoj

    esoj Guest

    he misses 1 test some games for the aussie provincal comp which he wasn't going to play in and a midweek game against the ospreys. effectively it is only really 1 game.

    the nrl system doesn't work because of loading system it has and how players reputations influence decisions. just like in union similar tackles get different weeks and therefore it is not much better.
     
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  3. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/454218/621628

    What does Union have? A bunch of old farts from the amature days who decide how a player will be punished depending on whether the hotel they were staying at made their late well...
     
  4. woosaah

    woosaah Guest

    its two different competitions as well, NRL has a set week by week thing, if a player infringers they know how many weeks/matches they are out for

    in rugby it all depends on the country the player is playing for. so he got 11 weeks, but its one international match and the domestic season that he wasnt going to paly anyway.

    if it was a new zealander, it would be for the air new zealand cup but he may have not got as many weeks depending on how many matches he was going to play in that series.

    its hard to say

    i might be totally wrong, but thats my view on it, and i hope i put that accross, if anyone can explain it better go ahead. but meh :)
     
  5. esoj

    esoj Guest

    it should be the same regardless of prior offences etc. that is the problem. some players have bad reps at the judicary so rightly or wrongly they get punished more even though the tackle they made was no worse than what another player did. sure repeat offenders should get more but that should be naturally done rather than having an artifical system that automatically makes them get more than other people for tackles that are the same. and having points carry over for unrelated offences is a complete joke.

    the nrl system is by no means any better off than union where you get inconsistience between similar tackles etc. at least in union players get done regardless of how many offences they have and each case gets judged on merit rather than an artifical system that determines the punishment
     
  6. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    I'm really having trouble seeing why you don't see the logic of carry over points and loading... It's based on the legal system and it's a mechanism designed to encourage players to keep as clean a slate as possible, thus equalling a safer game (or at least encouraging it). For example, Morely, great player though he was in the NRL, certainly deserves more for a high tackle than a player who's never been pinned for one even if his tackle is slightly worse. Why? Because Morley hits em high every week, whereas player B almost never tackles in a dangerous way.


    Yeah, totally, just like Gregan getting 1 week for a spear tackle thanks to his alleged 'clean record'... That's a load of **** esoj and you know it.
    Is it just that the NRL is australian that makes you reluctant to give it any credit?
     
  7. ..::ERIC::..

    ..::ERIC::.. Guest

    You mean the NRL system that lets Johns get away with abusing a ref just because he is Andrew Johns?
     
  8. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    Get away with? What did he get away with? He got 2 weeks for swearing at a ref who made a call that cost the knights a pivotal game... it was the ref who should have been reprimanded!
    In any case the charge was 3 weeks, challenging it meant he risked 4 weeks, but with his public apology and written apology to the ref in question the judiciary showed him leniency. But by no means did he "get away with it"... if it had happened in Union they'd have just had the judiciary swing a roulette wheel and give him however many number of weeks the ball landed in.
     
  9. esoj

    esoj Guest

    whatever sanzar the nrl system isn't that great either and you know it. neither system is perfect. I never said there wasn't inconsistiency with the union system either. the nrl system no matter how you try to defend it isn't any better and has similar problems to union with the consistiency.

    players like morely and wiki have no chance most times at the judicary as their rep is bad and no matter what they do any tackle they make gets looked at differently and combined with the artifcal system the nrl uses they will almost certainly get suspended for things other players don't.

    yes gregan only did one week but like I said before I am not defending the union system either. both are bad.

    the only good thing about the nrl is they actually do have a grading system for tackles etc
     
  10. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    I still don't see how the loading and carry over points make the system 'bad'... to me it's prefectly logical and actually quite a good idea, but I guess you think there's a better way to do it that would some how be fair.

    Anyway, we'll never agree on this, so we may as well quit now.
     
  11. esoj

    esoj Guest

    indeed we will never agree. it is not fair at all and it could be done better.

    for one why do unrelated events count towards other events. that is just stupid. secondly reputation plays too much of a part at determing how many weeks players get. and thirdly just like in union there are inconsistiences between similar tackles etc.
     
  12. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    Righto, I'm guessing you really didn't read my posts...

    Anyway, all in all Lote's got a solid holiday out of this and nothing else, and I think that's fair.
     
  13. esoj

    esoj Guest

    I did but I guess you didn't read mine either

    and yes at the end of this lote is only really mising 1 test match.
     
  14. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    What I was implying was that I've spent all this time EXPLAINING THE REASONING behind loading and carry over points and WHAT IT IS INTENDED TO DO, while you've just kept saying 'but it's not fair', without offering any alternative.
     
  15. sanzar

    sanzar Guest

    In reply to esoj saying that penalties should be at a flat rate across the board, well it was like that for a time, but they found it wasn't enough of a deterent, which is why a players record now comes into the equation. It may not seem fair all the time, but it's no different from recieving a harsher sentance for committing a crime when you're out on parole for a totally different crime. There has to be heavier punishments when players keep infringing, it doesn't matter if they are related or not.
     
  16. ak47

    ak47 Guest

    There should be loading for repeat offenders of the same offense

    not if we have a serial headhunter, but then he gets done for a spear for his 1st time

    Either or the NRL administration is turning into a joke nonetheless

    Removing the june 30 deadline, and not doing anything else will open mayhem

    Raiders could go and sign SBW now, for whenever he is due to expire @ dogs

    This kind of whole in the system needs to be blocked ASAP
     
  17. esoj

    esoj Guest

    I disagree but whatever. and I said a flat rate for simlar tackles etc. unrelated offences should not mean a player gets weeks added for the sake of it. repeat offences defintely consider adding a few more weeks but not like 4 -5 which happens now.

    the current system is not working and is a joke. consistient grading for similar tackles and not adding weeks for the sake of it is a much better way than the current system.
     
  18. melon

    melon Guest

    I rkn let the players decide the punishment
     
  19. esoj

    esoj Guest

    they already do well at least Andrew Johns does.
     
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