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O'Rothlain
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O'Rothlain
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Some further reading:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05...m?section=sport
I think the statements that disturb me the most is saying that group-sex is a way of building a closer knit team.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05...m?section=sport
I think the statements that disturb me the most is saying that group-sex is a way of building a closer knit team.
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Sir Speedy
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Dude, could you please remove the picture from the homepage? That idiot's smile is going to cause a murder in my household.
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melon
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In the front page blog you assume Johns was part of a "gang bag". The woman (as have others invloved in similar scandals across the code) involved has since spoken on a group interview style TV show, with the sole purpose of finding out the facts. This woman has provided us with some facts which are to the benefit of Johns.
FACT: The liason was over by the time team mates entered the room.
FACT: Johns sought her out in the Hotel's car park to apologize.
FACT: The NZ police are maintaining, as the have since 2002, that the case in closed. There was no criminal behavior involved, most importantly on Matthew John's behalf.
If you are going to run with this article and have Matthew Johns as your main target, learn the facts. How dare you put Johns in the same category of the others who are merely lowlife criminals with the gift of being able to play good footy.
It's almost chalk and cheese.
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On the flip side, I'm absolutely disgusted with some of the incidents over the years.
Brett Stewart, the face of the NRL for season 2009 (before millions in advertising had to be scrapped after this incident) became intoxicated at a team function and was alleged to have sexually assaulted a minor.
At this same function, a thug by the name of Anthony Watmough, who has previously been charged with bashing his then partner, slapped a major team sponsor after insulting the sponsor's daughter. Watmough was an ambassador for the club. He was there to promote the club to sponsors and paying guests. However, he decided to indulge in his own self importance and delve back in to his thuggish ways.
How about the Bulldogs sex scandal in Coffs Harbour several years ago?
Even my beloved team the Broncos have had issues. Towards the end of season 2008, Darius Boyd, Karmichael Hunt and Sam Thaiday engaged in sexual activities with a woman in a toilet block outside of a pub/club whilst filming it. There was never any doubt from the start that it was consensual, but as soon as the filming began to occur, that is when they crossed the line.
The sad thing about many of these scandals is the same as it is in the case of the Broncos. Players engaged in consensual sex but can't seem to help themselves and cross the line; invite others in, film the encounter etc. Then there are the crimes of much less frequency, where full on rape is involved.
I'm sure everyone will agree that this needs to end.
In all seriousness, many of these Rugby League players should be content in picking up a good looking woman and participating 1 on 1. How about bringing the woman's friend along for a 3 some? Nothing wrong with that. But then they have to go that one step further, they can't help themselves. It's disgusting that these players insist on degrading the women by, unknowingly to the woman/women, inviting other team mates in to film or participate. That is the precise point when boundaries have been crossed and crimes are being perpetrated.
Tougher penalties need to be introduced.
People everywhere have been crying for better player education, but we all have to realise that half these players are incapable of education. Quite simply, some of them are stupid.
FACT: The liason was over by the time team mates entered the room.
FACT: Johns sought her out in the Hotel's car park to apologize.
FACT: The NZ police are maintaining, as the have since 2002, that the case in closed. There was no criminal behavior involved, most importantly on Matthew John's behalf.
If you are going to run with this article and have Matthew Johns as your main target, learn the facts. How dare you put Johns in the same category of the others who are merely lowlife criminals with the gift of being able to play good footy.
It's almost chalk and cheese.
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On the flip side, I'm absolutely disgusted with some of the incidents over the years.
Brett Stewart, the face of the NRL for season 2009 (before millions in advertising had to be scrapped after this incident) became intoxicated at a team function and was alleged to have sexually assaulted a minor.
At this same function, a thug by the name of Anthony Watmough, who has previously been charged with bashing his then partner, slapped a major team sponsor after insulting the sponsor's daughter. Watmough was an ambassador for the club. He was there to promote the club to sponsors and paying guests. However, he decided to indulge in his own self importance and delve back in to his thuggish ways.
How about the Bulldogs sex scandal in Coffs Harbour several years ago?
Even my beloved team the Broncos have had issues. Towards the end of season 2008, Darius Boyd, Karmichael Hunt and Sam Thaiday engaged in sexual activities with a woman in a toilet block outside of a pub/club whilst filming it. There was never any doubt from the start that it was consensual, but as soon as the filming began to occur, that is when they crossed the line.
The sad thing about many of these scandals is the same as it is in the case of the Broncos. Players engaged in consensual sex but can't seem to help themselves and cross the line; invite others in, film the encounter etc. Then there are the crimes of much less frequency, where full on rape is involved.
I'm sure everyone will agree that this needs to end.
In all seriousness, many of these Rugby League players should be content in picking up a good looking woman and participating 1 on 1. How about bringing the woman's friend along for a 3 some? Nothing wrong with that. But then they have to go that one step further, they can't help themselves. It's disgusting that these players insist on degrading the women by, unknowingly to the woman/women, inviting other team mates in to film or participate. That is the precise point when boundaries have been crossed and crimes are being perpetrated.
Tougher penalties need to be introduced.
People everywhere have been crying for better player education, but we all have to realise that half these players are incapable of education. Quite simply, some of them are stupid.
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ak47
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Johns has to go – his position with channel 9 should be terminated
If anyone has any skeletons in the closet your risking your career and you just have to live with it
The face of any code of sport, business, company should be squeaky clean
Unfortunately for matty johns its not……he did nothing wrong legally, but morally speaking he did……..he was 30, he should have known better, and now he will pay for it.
In saying all this it takes 2 to tango and I bet she was loving it………unfortunately for the professional footy players, there is a wall of trust with any women you degrade, and take the risk if you wish, and hope it doesn’t come back to haunt you like it has matty johns
If anyone has any skeletons in the closet your risking your career and you just have to live with it
The face of any code of sport, business, company should be squeaky clean
Unfortunately for matty johns its not……he did nothing wrong legally, but morally speaking he did……..he was 30, he should have known better, and now he will pay for it.
In saying all this it takes 2 to tango and I bet she was loving it………unfortunately for the professional footy players, there is a wall of trust with any women you degrade, and take the risk if you wish, and hope it doesn’t come back to haunt you like it has matty johns
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melon
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It seems Johns will be stood down from Channel 9, as his reputation with women, as you could imagine, has crashed and burned. The Footy Show has tried to clean up its act but this is the last straw I guess.
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QLD
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FMD
The media have dragged this along big time, same as the did with Brett Stewart and the Broncos last year.
It's a load of s**t. For the woman behind that 4C story (forget her name) to come out and point the finger at the NRL for asking "Why pick on us?" instead of "What are we doing wrong?" is an absolute cop-out. This isn't a rugby league problem, it is a problem within society. If it happens to an AFL player that's what the media says anyway.
Media are dragging this alone and ruining the career's of rugby league players.
Time and time again the media drags the name of our code through the mud and portrays to the general public that if you are a Rugby League player then you are a rapist, a thug and a borderline alcoholic and you are only 1 Daily Telegraph front page away from having your contract torn-up and turning another generation away from the game.
Meanwhile, incidents just as bad happen in the AFL just as frequently, but it gets swept under the carpet time and time again because "AFL players are such great role models to the community" blah blah f**king blah. There are plenty of incidences from Football (soccer) and Rugby Union too, but no, let's just continue to sink the boot into Rugby League because they are the only code that doesn't know how to treat women, sexist bunch of pigs that they are.
FMD this happened 7 years ago and no charges were pressed. The only issue at hand was that between Matty Johns and his immediate family, and by all reports that had been resolved. But no, now we must portray someone who consented to sex with some NRL stars as "the victim" and yet again portray rape, alcohol abuse etc. as something that only happens in Rugby League, because that is the agenda and nobody is allowed to question this agenda without being labelled a neanderthal or a misogynist.
SEVEN YEARS AGO.
The media are looking for a story to drag along for weeks. Bring up something that happened seven years ago which would have caused enough stress to Matthew Johns and his family already. Maybe he deserves to be stood down, but Shane Warne was treated like a hero after having sex with hundreds of woman while married. Double standards. The 9 network's marquee program Underbelly makes good ratings so its perfectly acceptbele to have a "wife basher" on there. What Mat Newton did is a billion times worse that what Mathew Johns did. (Consentual group Sex V's Physical Spousal abuse) Where were the calls to have his (Newton's) overgrown head to be pulled off Underbelly?? Johns getting stood down for cheating on his wife seven years ago?
Maybe he deserves to be stood down, but the media have dragged this on big time. (not surprising though)
The media have dragged this along big time, same as the did with Brett Stewart and the Broncos last year.
It's a load of s**t. For the woman behind that 4C story (forget her name) to come out and point the finger at the NRL for asking "Why pick on us?" instead of "What are we doing wrong?" is an absolute cop-out. This isn't a rugby league problem, it is a problem within society. If it happens to an AFL player that's what the media says anyway.
Media are dragging this alone and ruining the career's of rugby league players.
Time and time again the media drags the name of our code through the mud and portrays to the general public that if you are a Rugby League player then you are a rapist, a thug and a borderline alcoholic and you are only 1 Daily Telegraph front page away from having your contract torn-up and turning another generation away from the game.
Meanwhile, incidents just as bad happen in the AFL just as frequently, but it gets swept under the carpet time and time again because "AFL players are such great role models to the community" blah blah f**king blah. There are plenty of incidences from Football (soccer) and Rugby Union too, but no, let's just continue to sink the boot into Rugby League because they are the only code that doesn't know how to treat women, sexist bunch of pigs that they are.
FMD this happened 7 years ago and no charges were pressed. The only issue at hand was that between Matty Johns and his immediate family, and by all reports that had been resolved. But no, now we must portray someone who consented to sex with some NRL stars as "the victim" and yet again portray rape, alcohol abuse etc. as something that only happens in Rugby League, because that is the agenda and nobody is allowed to question this agenda without being labelled a neanderthal or a misogynist.
SEVEN YEARS AGO.
The media are looking for a story to drag along for weeks. Bring up something that happened seven years ago which would have caused enough stress to Matthew Johns and his family already. Maybe he deserves to be stood down, but Shane Warne was treated like a hero after having sex with hundreds of woman while married. Double standards. The 9 network's marquee program Underbelly makes good ratings so its perfectly acceptbele to have a "wife basher" on there. What Mat Newton did is a billion times worse that what Mathew Johns did. (Consentual group Sex V's Physical Spousal abuse) Where were the calls to have his (Newton's) overgrown head to be pulled off Underbelly?? Johns getting stood down for cheating on his wife seven years ago?
Maybe he deserves to be stood down, but the media have dragged this on big time. (not surprising though)
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Woldog
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Don't get this problem in Union and if you do it's only from League converts.
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candybum
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ May 13 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
iIts usually alcohol related...nothing about women... except handbags hmm lol
Don't get this problem in Union and if you do it's only from League converts.[/b]
iIts usually alcohol related...nothing about women... except handbags hmm lol
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St Helens RLFC
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ May 13 2009, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
If you think it's just league, you're deluded.
Don't get this problem in Union and if you do it's only from League converts.[/b]
If you think it's just league, you're deluded.
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ak47
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This what will happen - from a mate on the raiders forum....
So Matthew Johns is stood down indefinitely, but Channel Nine has predictably stopped short of giving him the sack. My prediction is he will be off air for a while (possibly a long while) until all this blows over and the media moves onto something else, then he will be back on air and normal service will resume.
Nine knows the public has short memories, and in their opinion Johns is too important a commodity to be lost forever. You only have to look at the network's track record with Sam Newman. He has gotten away with so much over the years but is still one of their main attractions simply because he is popular. Even after last year's mannequin debacle, he was stood down indefinitely, just like Matthew Johns, but then returned after a month or so (to great fanfare by the network as well). Even the argument about Nine losing female viewers doesn't hold water because most of Newman's controversial antics have been misogynist, so despite the fact that Johns's image is tarnished and has the potential to alienate female viewers, once some time has passed he will be valuable to the network once more.
Nine want to be seen to be taking action against these people and it is all an exercise in good PR, but ultimatley they don't want to lose their best assets. Hell, since Sam Newman was stood down last year he has signed another multi-million dollar contact with Nine.
Another example, is Nine hiring Cameron "The Face" Williiams for the Today Show. Williams is a notorious sleazebag and a repeat offender, and was sacked by Fox Sports back in 2001, yet years later when all seems forgotten, Nine have hired him and given him one of their big roles at the network.
The same applies to Andrew Johns after last year's drug confessions. A few weeks went by and then all was forgotten and his role at Nine was unchanged (the network even cashed in on the story).
Nine is so damn transparent, and Matthew Johns will almost certainly be back thanks to an all-too-forgiving public.
So Matthew Johns is stood down indefinitely, but Channel Nine has predictably stopped short of giving him the sack. My prediction is he will be off air for a while (possibly a long while) until all this blows over and the media moves onto something else, then he will be back on air and normal service will resume.
Nine knows the public has short memories, and in their opinion Johns is too important a commodity to be lost forever. You only have to look at the network's track record with Sam Newman. He has gotten away with so much over the years but is still one of their main attractions simply because he is popular. Even after last year's mannequin debacle, he was stood down indefinitely, just like Matthew Johns, but then returned after a month or so (to great fanfare by the network as well). Even the argument about Nine losing female viewers doesn't hold water because most of Newman's controversial antics have been misogynist, so despite the fact that Johns's image is tarnished and has the potential to alienate female viewers, once some time has passed he will be valuable to the network once more.
Nine want to be seen to be taking action against these people and it is all an exercise in good PR, but ultimatley they don't want to lose their best assets. Hell, since Sam Newman was stood down last year he has signed another multi-million dollar contact with Nine.
Another example, is Nine hiring Cameron "The Face" Williiams for the Today Show. Williams is a notorious sleazebag and a repeat offender, and was sacked by Fox Sports back in 2001, yet years later when all seems forgotten, Nine have hired him and given him one of their big roles at the network.
The same applies to Andrew Johns after last year's drug confessions. A few weeks went by and then all was forgotten and his role at Nine was unchanged (the network even cashed in on the story).
Nine is so damn transparent, and Matthew Johns will almost certainly be back thanks to an all-too-forgiving public.
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Woldog
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Only times anything major has happened in league a handbag was involved.
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O'Rothlain
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ May 13 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
Union?Only times anything major has happened in league a handbag was involved.[/b]
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Ickon
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It's funny how they only focus on what's going wrong! why don't the media put all over the headlines the positive stuff the boys do in the community?
Having been involved at the higher levels and seen what goes on, I don't argue that the drinking culture needs to be changed, but when you think about it, it's a select few that ruin it for everyone else & in the end it comes down to common sense and they way you were brought up on how to treat a women or just other people in general for that matter.
In regards to Matty's incident there cluthcing at straws with this one! They only thing he's done wrong is be unfaithful to his wife & he's already faced up to that. So can they just leave the bloke alone.
Having been involved at the higher levels and seen what goes on, I don't argue that the drinking culture needs to be changed, but when you think about it, it's a select few that ruin it for everyone else & in the end it comes down to common sense and they way you were brought up on how to treat a women or just other people in general for that matter.
In regards to Matty's incident there cluthcing at straws with this one! They only thing he's done wrong is be unfaithful to his wife & he's already faced up to that. So can they just leave the bloke alone.
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ak47
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Whats so sad is that if matty johns became nobody – nothing would have been said
Its only cause johns got very famous and in the tv, that this broad whorebag came out
I also reckon there are a lot of nervous footy players today hoping one of their past groupies doesn’t feel helpless
The fact remains society has these women whom proposition men into group sex and vice versa……….they love it, and the NRL really cant say if you busted grouping your career is over – its discrimination, what u do in the bedroom is completely personal, group sex is not illegal……its no different to gay sex……imagine if gallop said u cant be gay
Oh pls – society double standards are to blame, and a disgruntled woman on the south island
Shane Warne anyone? – Lets talk about his infidelity and groupies
Matt will be back, like Warnie returned - and I cant wait to see him grinning like he used to
Its only cause johns got very famous and in the tv, that this broad whorebag came out
I also reckon there are a lot of nervous footy players today hoping one of their past groupies doesn’t feel helpless
The fact remains society has these women whom proposition men into group sex and vice versa……….they love it, and the NRL really cant say if you busted grouping your career is over – its discrimination, what u do in the bedroom is completely personal, group sex is not illegal……its no different to gay sex……imagine if gallop said u cant be gay
Oh pls – society double standards are to blame, and a disgruntled woman on the south island
Shane Warne anyone? – Lets talk about his infidelity and groupies
Matt will be back, like Warnie returned - and I cant wait to see him grinning like he used to
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QLD
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Matt Johns is the biggest suck up on the footy show, it wont be too bad.
He tries to be mates with all the players and its killing the ratings, at least Vossy is asking the tough questions.
He tries to be mates with all the players and its killing the ratings, at least Vossy is asking the tough questions.
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St Helens RLFC
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ak47 @ May 14 2009, 07:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
The bits in bold are categorically correct.
Whats so sad is that if matty johns became nobody – nothing would have been said
Its only cause johns got very famous and in the tv, that this broad whorebag came out
I also reckon there are a lot of nervous footy players today hoping one of their past groupies doesn't feel helpless
The fact remains society has these women whom proposition men into group sex and vice versa……….they love it, and the NRL really cant say if you busted grouping your career is over – its discrimination, what u do in the bedroom is completely personal, group sex is not illegal……its no different to gay sex……imagine if gallop said u cant be gay
Oh pls – society double standards are to blame, and a disgruntled woman on the south island
Shane Warne anyone? – Lets talk about his infidelity and groupies
Matt will be back, like Warnie returned - and I cant wait to see him grinning like he used to[/b]
The bits in bold are categorically correct.
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Woldog
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ May 14 2009, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
[/b][/quote]
Quite right.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ May 13 2009, 08:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Union?Only times anything major has happened in league a handbag was involved.[/b]
[/b][/quote]
Quite right.
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Fred187
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Woldog @ May 13 2009, 10:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
I hope, for the sake of your intelligence, that you were joking there.
Don't get this problem in Union and if you do it's only from League converts.[/b]
I hope, for the sake of your intelligence, that you were joking there.
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MunsterMan
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Normally I couldn't care less about something like this, but Brian Carney missed a Munster game (which would have been the poor fella's first start of the season) to go help out Mr. Johns as his wife was getting very worried about his mental state.
Think it is all blown out of proportion, as people have said the police are satisfied he did not break the law, I think the only thing morally wrong with what he did was the whole adultery thing but that is a different kettle of fish.
Anyways, good night and good luck.
Think it is all blown out of proportion, as people have said the police are satisfied he did not break the law, I think the only thing morally wrong with what he did was the whole adultery thing but that is a different kettle of fish.
Anyways, good night and good luck.
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