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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1012333" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>In this aspect, it has been and it probably still is. It'd say we've made some progress but we are light years behind of where we should be. </p><p></p><p>Let me give you an example. I'd go as far as saying that anyone Matera age or older who's set foot on a football pitch, any 1st/2nd/3rd/4th tier team as a supporter has, at one point or another, sang equivalent things to at least one of the tweets from Matera/Petti/Socino. </p><p>Just picture this: football is very popular, and the most popular team in the country has been taunted by opposing fans for having a lot of bolivians, paraguayans and being poor for as long as i can remember. That pretty much describes 70% of lyrics from the songs opposing crowds sang when they faced them. </p><p></p><p>If you go searching for the way we use "trolo" or "puto" (fag) it is still very present in the way Argentines express themselves. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Maybe i wasn't clear. It is incredibly difficult to fire someone for something that happened prior to his signing of the contract unless the contract specifically addresses that explicitly. Particularly if he has no conviction for what he is being accused of. </p><p>Does every schoolteacher in the UK have a social media / moral clause that could punish him for things his said prior to his employment contract? I have no idea. I'd be surprised if they do, not because it wouldn't be the right thing to do but because sometimes the landscape of what is right and wrong changes at a faster speed than employment contracts and these, like almost every other contract, generally cannot include other clauses retroactively. </p><p></p><p>The biggest tell here is that if this were true in most cases, every single player, sponsor and club would be checking this. This unravelling shows that is not the case. </p><p>I guarantee you that someone at Nike, Visa or any other sponsor is taking to their legal department and changing the due diligence required to sign in an athlete. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't think that is the case and it's a nuance so please bear with me, be open-minded and just listen to what i have to say and give me the benefit of the doubt till you finish reading. That's all. </p><p>I can understand your argument if people said "he said A but that means B" if B was a lesser crime than A. That be switching a crime for a lesser one in order to downplay his deed and therefore the punishment he would have to face. </p><p>That is not what is happening here. Let me say it again. That is not what i am doing here. </p><p></p><p>I am changing what you are saying but i am changing it for something that i acknowledge form the get-go that is just as bad. What purpose could i have to take the time to explain the meaning of something to a third party just to end up giving him reasons to be just as upset about what happened? I'm explaining this in an attempt to show that i have nothing to gain and therefore gain credibility on a subject that i know better than all non-argentine posters here: the use of argentine language. Generally i would never to that but i can understand given the info available to you how you could arrive to that conclusion. </p><p></p><p>In a nuthsell: i am not saying you shouldn't be outraged. I am taking the time to give you the tools to be just as outraged but for the right reasons. </p><p>I am trying to choose my words carefully not because i want to excuse matera et al, but because i want you to understand. </p><p>I am talking about this bit</p><p></p><p></p><p>That is not what he said. I understand how you got that from the tweet but that is not what it means. It means something just as bad, worse if you will, but not that. </p><p>"Negro" in that context means poor, uneducated and/or lower social class. </p><p></p><p>One last thing that might serve to help explain how complicated this can get. I (Argetnine) would never defend Matera (Argentine) for the way he used "negro" in his tweets, but i would go out of my way to defend Cavani (Uruguayan) on how he used "negrito" in his post a week or so ago. Neither of them had anything to do with the colour of someone's skin, but Matera's had crystal clear intent to offend while Cavani's did not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1012333, member: 55747"] In this aspect, it has been and it probably still is. It'd say we've made some progress but we are light years behind of where we should be. Let me give you an example. I'd go as far as saying that anyone Matera age or older who's set foot on a football pitch, any 1st/2nd/3rd/4th tier team as a supporter has, at one point or another, sang equivalent things to at least one of the tweets from Matera/Petti/Socino. Just picture this: football is very popular, and the most popular team in the country has been taunted by opposing fans for having a lot of bolivians, paraguayans and being poor for as long as i can remember. That pretty much describes 70% of lyrics from the songs opposing crowds sang when they faced them. If you go searching for the way we use "trolo" or "puto" (fag) it is still very present in the way Argentines express themselves. Maybe i wasn't clear. It is incredibly difficult to fire someone for something that happened prior to his signing of the contract unless the contract specifically addresses that explicitly. Particularly if he has no conviction for what he is being accused of. Does every schoolteacher in the UK have a social media / moral clause that could punish him for things his said prior to his employment contract? I have no idea. I'd be surprised if they do, not because it wouldn't be the right thing to do but because sometimes the landscape of what is right and wrong changes at a faster speed than employment contracts and these, like almost every other contract, generally cannot include other clauses retroactively. The biggest tell here is that if this were true in most cases, every single player, sponsor and club would be checking this. This unravelling shows that is not the case. I guarantee you that someone at Nike, Visa or any other sponsor is taking to their legal department and changing the due diligence required to sign in an athlete. I don't think that is the case and it's a nuance so please bear with me, be open-minded and just listen to what i have to say and give me the benefit of the doubt till you finish reading. That's all. I can understand your argument if people said "he said A but that means B" if B was a lesser crime than A. That be switching a crime for a lesser one in order to downplay his deed and therefore the punishment he would have to face. That is not what is happening here. Let me say it again. That is not what i am doing here. I am changing what you are saying but i am changing it for something that i acknowledge form the get-go that is just as bad. What purpose could i have to take the time to explain the meaning of something to a third party just to end up giving him reasons to be just as upset about what happened? I'm explaining this in an attempt to show that i have nothing to gain and therefore gain credibility on a subject that i know better than all non-argentine posters here: the use of argentine language. Generally i would never to that but i can understand given the info available to you how you could arrive to that conclusion. In a nuthsell: i am not saying you shouldn't be outraged. I am taking the time to give you the tools to be just as outraged but for the right reasons. I am trying to choose my words carefully not because i want to excuse matera et al, but because i want you to understand. I am talking about this bit That is not what he said. I understand how you got that from the tweet but that is not what it means. It means something just as bad, worse if you will, but not that. "Negro" in that context means poor, uneducated and/or lower social class. One last thing that might serve to help explain how complicated this can get. I (Argetnine) would never defend Matera (Argentine) for the way he used "negro" in his tweets, but i would go out of my way to defend Cavani (Uruguayan) on how he used "negrito" in his post a week or so ago. Neither of them had anything to do with the colour of someone's skin, but Matera's had crystal clear intent to offend while Cavani's did not. [/QUOTE]
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