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<blockquote data-quote="Cruz_del_Sur" data-source="post: 1012338" data-attributes="member: 55747"><p>Pfff, that's a complex but fair question. Actually thank you, made me think. </p><p>Short answer: it depends. You made me think how to explain this and reconcile it with your experience and it is not an easy task but i will try. Kindly note that the fact i describe something does not mean i think that something is right. Please no strawman arguments. I'm going on a limb and will have to make quite a few hasty generalizations. </p><p></p><p>I think it is important to note there are probably three groups (broad gen). There are a lot of people who probably do feel that way about, say, paraguayans and there are also a lot of people who do not feel that way, but will sing songs once they enter the stadium. (I am not saying that what the second group is doing is right). Third group is people who dont think that and dont sing. </p><p></p><p>This is probably counter-intuitive, but let's say Mario insults Juan by calling him "paraguayan" not always because he thinks badly of "paraguayanss" but because he thinks Juan won't like it. </p><p>The purpose is to offend, so you use what the other party finds offensive and use it. Not necessarily because you agree with it, but because it triggers the reaction you want from your opponent/enemy . </p><p>How many are there of each group? I have no idea. </p><p></p><p>I was raised with jokes about Spanish people. We called them "gallegos" and it basically meant dumb or stupid. Some say it's amicable. I dont think they were/are.</p><p>Do most people in Arg think that of Spanish people? No, but we still use (less now but still) gallego. This applies to a lot of examples. Jokes of Chinese people by switching "r"s for "l"s was quite common to the point that our former president and current vice president has done so on twitter. Times have changed and now it's rare but it wouldn't be rare to hear someone say "chino de mierda" (you ******* Chinese) if they got into an argument at a Chinese supermarket with someone who spoke broken Spanish to them. </p><p>We tend to use <em>"insert demonym here" de mierda </em>with almost everyone in particular situations. From germans to bolivians, from Canadians to Vietnamese. And some people do have problems with specific groups but imo it goes back to wanting to offend the person you are arguing/fighting with. I wouldn't know how to explain it, but for the lack of a better word i would say this use is in quite a few cases "circumstantial". </p><p>Doesn't make it right, clearly, but it's not the same. Hope this much is clear. </p><p></p><p>Another distinction you need to make is between foreign residents and tourists. Argentines tend to be quite amicable towards tourists. We are also generally curious and there are not that many Russians so i am not surprised people were nice to you. </p><p></p><p>There is a very nasty use of a word to describe Brazilians as monkeys in the past, to the point where newspapers would use it to describe brazilians. You dont hear that often any more, at least not publicly. </p><p></p><p>I'm going to stop here as i like to be able to back up what i write and i cant really to that here. I've gone far enough with generalizations based on my extensive but still biased and anecdotal experiences and evidence. </p><p>I just wanted to give you a broad stokes answer to your question.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cruz_del_Sur, post: 1012338, member: 55747"] Pfff, that's a complex but fair question. Actually thank you, made me think. Short answer: it depends. You made me think how to explain this and reconcile it with your experience and it is not an easy task but i will try. Kindly note that the fact i describe something does not mean i think that something is right. Please no strawman arguments. I'm going on a limb and will have to make quite a few hasty generalizations. I think it is important to note there are probably three groups (broad gen). There are a lot of people who probably do feel that way about, say, paraguayans and there are also a lot of people who do not feel that way, but will sing songs once they enter the stadium. (I am not saying that what the second group is doing is right). Third group is people who dont think that and dont sing. This is probably counter-intuitive, but let's say Mario insults Juan by calling him "paraguayan" not always because he thinks badly of "paraguayanss" but because he thinks Juan won't like it. The purpose is to offend, so you use what the other party finds offensive and use it. Not necessarily because you agree with it, but because it triggers the reaction you want from your opponent/enemy . How many are there of each group? I have no idea. I was raised with jokes about Spanish people. We called them "gallegos" and it basically meant dumb or stupid. Some say it's amicable. I dont think they were/are. Do most people in Arg think that of Spanish people? No, but we still use (less now but still) gallego. This applies to a lot of examples. Jokes of Chinese people by switching "r"s for "l"s was quite common to the point that our former president and current vice president has done so on twitter. Times have changed and now it's rare but it wouldn't be rare to hear someone say "chino de mierda" (you ******* Chinese) if they got into an argument at a Chinese supermarket with someone who spoke broken Spanish to them. We tend to use [I]"insert demonym here" de mierda [/I]with almost everyone in particular situations. From germans to bolivians, from Canadians to Vietnamese. And some people do have problems with specific groups but imo it goes back to wanting to offend the person you are arguing/fighting with. I wouldn't know how to explain it, but for the lack of a better word i would say this use is in quite a few cases "circumstantial". Doesn't make it right, clearly, but it's not the same. Hope this much is clear. Another distinction you need to make is between foreign residents and tourists. Argentines tend to be quite amicable towards tourists. We are also generally curious and there are not that many Russians so i am not surprised people were nice to you. There is a very nasty use of a word to describe Brazilians as monkeys in the past, to the point where newspapers would use it to describe brazilians. You dont hear that often any more, at least not publicly. I'm going to stop here as i like to be able to back up what i write and i cant really to that here. I've gone far enough with generalizations based on my extensive but still biased and anecdotal experiences and evidence. I just wanted to give you a broad stokes answer to your question. [/QUOTE]
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