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<blockquote data-quote="Leonormous Boozer" data-source="post: 923453" data-attributes="member: 45598"><p>You missed my point entirely on Stander, nice needless dig at a small country massively outperforming yours sincerely CJ started playing international rugby though!</p><p></p><p>As for the rest. Why do players want to play international rugby? It's the pinnacle of their field of work, most people want to get there.</p><p></p><p>Are players getting paid more for playing internationally? Yes, except for maybe France, I'm not sure what their appearance fees are.</p><p></p><p>Did Dell, Maitland etc... Grow up wanting to play for Scotland over their countries of birth? No, were they aware that they were eligible and know it was an option. Yeah, how do you think the SRU found out they were eligible.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I had to take this point in isolation because it's so ******* stupid. Rugby are these players' livelihoods, you want them to tough it out where they're under appreciated and under valued when there is better opportunities elsewhere.</p><p></p><p>I'm being hyperbolic here but this reads the same way as saying "any individual emigrant in Ireland's mass emmigration during the 1980's recession years couldn't deal with rejection and unemployment so they pussied out and went somewhere else".</p><p></p><p>You're saying these guys don't fight to get to the top? Most of them move half way around the world and become better players to play at the top. When Stander moved he couldn't break into Munster's starting team behind a guy who has one Ireland cap to his name, but he was given opportunities to play in the position he wanted to play, something that was not open to him in Pretoria and all the while he was earning more money and him and his wife were living in better conditions. And the guy fought so hard he literally hit the top this year by being a mainstay in 2018's most successful rugby team. You're happy to call that guy a pussy?</p><p>A quick look at Dell shows he didn't just get catapulted to the Scottish team either, he debuted two years after arrival, there must have been a bit of a fight for him too.</p><p></p><p>This is my problem, you're criticising men and calling them insulting names for doing what is best for them and their families. This would not happen in any other walk of life. Whatever about criticising the unions, I can understand where that's coming from, criticising the individuals however? That's weak.</p><p></p><p>And this is where the crux of my point lies, there are people who want world rugby to change the current rules when that would be disadvantageous to them as it would lower the quality of rugby and it would be harmful to players quality of life, they want unions to only pick born and bred players when that won't happen and it would be harmful to players quality of life and they want players to risk their careers and livelihoods for national pride? It's dumb and impractical at best and borderline inhumane at worst. Whether we like it or not world rugby is a business, and a good one that allows it's employees plenty of different routes to achieve a high quality of life. A byproduct of this is international games not being 23 full blooded native XV but it is definitely better than the reverse.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Leonormous Boozer, post: 923453, member: 45598"] You missed my point entirely on Stander, nice needless dig at a small country massively outperforming yours sincerely CJ started playing international rugby though! As for the rest. Why do players want to play international rugby? It's the pinnacle of their field of work, most people want to get there. Are players getting paid more for playing internationally? Yes, except for maybe France, I'm not sure what their appearance fees are. Did Dell, Maitland etc... Grow up wanting to play for Scotland over their countries of birth? No, were they aware that they were eligible and know it was an option. Yeah, how do you think the SRU found out they were eligible. I had to take this point in isolation because it's so ******* stupid. Rugby are these players' livelihoods, you want them to tough it out where they're under appreciated and under valued when there is better opportunities elsewhere. I'm being hyperbolic here but this reads the same way as saying "any individual emigrant in Ireland's mass emmigration during the 1980's recession years couldn't deal with rejection and unemployment so they pussied out and went somewhere else". You're saying these guys don't fight to get to the top? Most of them move half way around the world and become better players to play at the top. When Stander moved he couldn't break into Munster's starting team behind a guy who has one Ireland cap to his name, but he was given opportunities to play in the position he wanted to play, something that was not open to him in Pretoria and all the while he was earning more money and him and his wife were living in better conditions. And the guy fought so hard he literally hit the top this year by being a mainstay in 2018's most successful rugby team. You're happy to call that guy a pussy? A quick look at Dell shows he didn't just get catapulted to the Scottish team either, he debuted two years after arrival, there must have been a bit of a fight for him too. This is my problem, you're criticising men and calling them insulting names for doing what is best for them and their families. This would not happen in any other walk of life. Whatever about criticising the unions, I can understand where that's coming from, criticising the individuals however? That's weak. And this is where the crux of my point lies, there are people who want world rugby to change the current rules when that would be disadvantageous to them as it would lower the quality of rugby and it would be harmful to players quality of life, they want unions to only pick born and bred players when that won't happen and it would be harmful to players quality of life and they want players to risk their careers and livelihoods for national pride? It's dumb and impractical at best and borderline inhumane at worst. Whether we like it or not world rugby is a business, and a good one that allows it's employees plenty of different routes to achieve a high quality of life. A byproduct of this is international games not being 23 full blooded native XV but it is definitely better than the reverse. [/QUOTE]
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