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<blockquote data-quote="Thingimubob" data-source="post: 923468" data-attributes="member: 20956"><p>Oh god does this debate never end, always seems to crop up every 6 months or so!</p><p></p><p>As everyone has said, the figures are very misleading and pretty much always need extra context - especially when it comes to the "Home" nations.</p><p></p><p>Simple fact is people move around the UK a lot, and marry and start families with partners from other countries within the UK, so it's always going to skew the numbers.</p><p></p><p>As others have said, North is a perfect example of someone who sums up the flaws of just listing anyone born outside the country they represent as "foreign born" - he's a fluent Welsh speaking product of the Welsh rugby system who has spent nearly all of his life in Wales, but happened to be born in England.</p><p></p><p>Ross Moriarty however probably perfectly sums up how complicated it can get between the Home Nations - born in England to Welsh parents while his dad (a dual-code Welsh international) was playing rugby league there, moved back to Wales at a young age where he was educated until he was around 16/17, when he went to Hartbury College in England, and was signed by Gloucester in 2012.</p><p></p><p>Played age grade for England between 2012 and 2014 (and won the U20s World Cup with them in 2014), but then ended up being called into the Welsh senior squad ahead of the 2015 World Cup who he's played for every since.</p><p></p><p>Perfectly eligible to play for both, and probably was always gonna lead to the debates about "poaching" etc no matter who he chose, but it's hard to see him as a "foreign" player for Wales.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Not quite true, as you do see the players switch around after playing for age grade sides. The only point that you cannot switch is after a competitive game at a FIFA tournament / qualifier for a tournament.</p><p></p><p>Seen it quite a lot while following Wales in football, as we have a very small pool of Welsh born players to choose from, so generally you'll see players in the squad who qualify via parents/grandparents - some of which may have played for England/Scotland/N.I. age grade sides in the past.</p><p></p><p>Fairly sure that the FA's of Wales, England, Scotland and N.I. actually have an extra layer of rules on top of the FIFA ones however- for example Scotland can't call up a Spanish player who's played for a Scottish club for 5 years, despite him being ok to play via the residency rules set by FIFA.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thingimubob, post: 923468, member: 20956"] Oh god does this debate never end, always seems to crop up every 6 months or so! As everyone has said, the figures are very misleading and pretty much always need extra context - especially when it comes to the "Home" nations. Simple fact is people move around the UK a lot, and marry and start families with partners from other countries within the UK, so it's always going to skew the numbers. As others have said, North is a perfect example of someone who sums up the flaws of just listing anyone born outside the country they represent as "foreign born" - he's a fluent Welsh speaking product of the Welsh rugby system who has spent nearly all of his life in Wales, but happened to be born in England. Ross Moriarty however probably perfectly sums up how complicated it can get between the Home Nations - born in England to Welsh parents while his dad (a dual-code Welsh international) was playing rugby league there, moved back to Wales at a young age where he was educated until he was around 16/17, when he went to Hartbury College in England, and was signed by Gloucester in 2012. Played age grade for England between 2012 and 2014 (and won the U20s World Cup with them in 2014), but then ended up being called into the Welsh senior squad ahead of the 2015 World Cup who he's played for every since. Perfectly eligible to play for both, and probably was always gonna lead to the debates about "poaching" etc no matter who he chose, but it's hard to see him as a "foreign" player for Wales. Not quite true, as you do see the players switch around after playing for age grade sides. The only point that you cannot switch is after a competitive game at a FIFA tournament / qualifier for a tournament. Seen it quite a lot while following Wales in football, as we have a very small pool of Welsh born players to choose from, so generally you'll see players in the squad who qualify via parents/grandparents - some of which may have played for England/Scotland/N.I. age grade sides in the past. Fairly sure that the FA's of Wales, England, Scotland and N.I. actually have an extra layer of rules on top of the FIFA ones however- for example Scotland can't call up a Spanish player who's played for a Scottish club for 5 years, despite him being ok to play via the residency rules set by FIFA. [/QUOTE]
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