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<blockquote data-quote="Umaga&#039;s Witness" data-source="post: 1005137" data-attributes="member: 65365"><p>Well I said for most of his career he was criminally overrated. Not 2013, not last year. But most other years. this was the golden boy, the next mcaw, literally the chosen one to be all blacks captain since before he was an all black. Every mistake was ignored or played down ( It was awkward how often the commentators would say "an uncharacteristic error from read") every good thing overemphasised. His play was very good, his rating was astronomically high. </p><p></p><p>And we are talking about player of the decade here so I think you'd have to have been pretty darned amazing for several Years, like retallick was for 5 years straight.</p><p></p><p>And I'm not sure the relevance of current all blacks 8 options to this question. No matter how good I realise read was after watching the new all blacks eights, I will still have had the luxury of comparing read closely to Vermeulen during his time, to other loose forward legends around the time such as Pocock, kaino, and mcaw, Collins. And to players more generally during any time in terms of their influence on a match with big plays, which read often did in a negative sense a lot more than most tier one test players.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Umaga's Witness, post: 1005137, member: 65365"] Well I said for most of his career he was criminally overrated. Not 2013, not last year. But most other years. this was the golden boy, the next mcaw, literally the chosen one to be all blacks captain since before he was an all black. Every mistake was ignored or played down ( It was awkward how often the commentators would say “an uncharacteristic error from read”) every good thing overemphasised. His play was very good, his rating was astronomically high. And we are talking about player of the decade here so I think you’d have to have been pretty darned amazing for several Years, like retallick was for 5 years straight. And I’m not sure the relevance of current all blacks 8 options to this question. No matter how good I realise read was after watching the new all blacks eights, I will still have had the luxury of comparing read closely to Vermeulen during his time, to other loose forward legends around the time such as Pocock, kaino, and mcaw, Collins. And to players more generally during any time in terms of their influence on a match with big plays, which read often did in a negative sense a lot more than most tier one test players. [/QUOTE]
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