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<blockquote data-quote="Which Tyler" data-source="post: 1057961" data-attributes="member: 73592"><p>Hatley and Williams are the only experienced coaches in there. Hatley you all know. Williams coached our academy a decade or so ago, who's since spent some time in Japan and South Africa (Kobelco Steelers, Cheetahs and Sharks).</p><p>Charteris you obviously all know, started coaching just the lineout when he retired from playing.</p><p>Lilley and Davies are also ex-Bath players (and both local, academy products, Lilley played across the front row, and Davis at FH). Neither achieved all that much as players, though Davis showed a lot of promise before knackering his knees. They've been coaching the academy for a few year, and have been promoted up to senior. You'd have to assume that there's promise shown there - and given that they've been responsible for a significant uptick in the quality of our academy, you have to assume it's justified. But it's a real work in progress.</p><p></p><p>If it feels like a coaching squad building for a few years time, but missing a defensive nerd and a couple of decades of experience in coaching. "Building from within" has been a huge thing at Bath for the last 4 years or so, having been identified as a key for the success of Saracens and Exeter, and this is a product of it.</p><p>Given the lack of relegation this year and last year, I don't have a problem with that per se - but I'd be so much happier if we had an additional, experienced defence coach, and an additional "big and nasty" lock - and a better sports psychologist - or at least, one who's better trusted (I don't know if she's not-used-enough or not-good-enough).</p><p></p><p>I can also kinda see how we got into this mess.</p><p>When Bruce came in, he threw money around at a bunch of shiny new things - which is a terrible way to build a team, and didn't work.</p><p>He then threw his money at shiny name-recognition coaches (McGeechan, Gold, Ford, Blackadder) with Geech not being interested (or up to date), Gold getting (predictably) backstabbed, Ford going completely crazy, and Blackadder only being asked to hold the fort until the youngsters were ready to depose him.</p><p></p><p>There's been no stability in there whatsoever; whilst Saracens had Venter > McCall for over a decade, with ex-players throughout the coaching staff; Exeter had Baxter and Hepher for over a decade, with ex-players throughout the coaching staff.</p><p>I can see why we've done what we've done; but I'm not convinced about the identity of the talent (or the time-frames for them to actually succeed).</p><p>I think Hatley, Williams and Davis are good coaches, and I'm happy with them. But Lilley is no Hatley when it comes to coaching the forwards, and we're being beaten up front. Our lineout seems fairly middle-of-the-road, so Charteris gets a shrug from me.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Which Tyler, post: 1057961, member: 73592"] Hatley and Williams are the only experienced coaches in there. Hatley you all know. Williams coached our academy a decade or so ago, who's since spent some time in Japan and South Africa (Kobelco Steelers, Cheetahs and Sharks). Charteris you obviously all know, started coaching just the lineout when he retired from playing. Lilley and Davies are also ex-Bath players (and both local, academy products, Lilley played across the front row, and Davis at FH). Neither achieved all that much as players, though Davis showed a lot of promise before knackering his knees. They've been coaching the academy for a few year, and have been promoted up to senior. You'd have to assume that there's promise shown there - and given that they've been responsible for a significant uptick in the quality of our academy, you have to assume it's justified. But it's a real work in progress. If it feels like a coaching squad building for a few years time, but missing a defensive nerd and a couple of decades of experience in coaching. "Building from within" has been a huge thing at Bath for the last 4 years or so, having been identified as a key for the success of Saracens and Exeter, and this is a product of it. Given the lack of relegation this year and last year, I don't have a problem with that per se - but I'd be so much happier if we had an additional, experienced defence coach, and an additional "big and nasty" lock - and a better sports psychologist - or at least, one who's better trusted (I don't know if she's not-used-enough or not-good-enough). I can also kinda see how we got into this mess. When Bruce came in, he threw money around at a bunch of shiny new things - which is a terrible way to build a team, and didn't work. He then threw his money at shiny name-recognition coaches (McGeechan, Gold, Ford, Blackadder) with Geech not being interested (or up to date), Gold getting (predictably) backstabbed, Ford going completely crazy, and Blackadder only being asked to hold the fort until the youngsters were ready to depose him. There's been no stability in there whatsoever; whilst Saracens had Venter > McCall for over a decade, with ex-players throughout the coaching staff; Exeter had Baxter and Hepher for over a decade, with ex-players throughout the coaching staff. I can see why we've done what we've done; but I'm not convinced about the identity of the talent (or the time-frames for them to actually succeed). I think Hatley, Williams and Davis are good coaches, and I'm happy with them. But Lilley is no Hatley when it comes to coaching the forwards, and we're being beaten up front. Our lineout seems fairly middle-of-the-road, so Charteris gets a shrug from me. [/QUOTE]
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