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<blockquote data-quote="Eleutherarch" data-source="post: 1097235" data-attributes="member: 85519"><p>Guys and gals - please read this in full before responding:</p><p></p><p>[USER=73592]@Which Tyler[/USER] I do in fact believe that most of these particular overtures in first world nations in the present day to be little more than corporate box-ticking exercises that patronise more than they aid. We can argue until the cows come home but "Patently not the case" and "many, many times" is not exactly a quantifiable, factual retort.</p><p></p><p>On your second point, you have assumed I made a false dichotomy. I didn't. I stated merely that I believed that the method I outlined was a more effective means of bringing about the desired outcome of inclusion. Of course it is possible to do both.</p><p></p><p>Demonstrations of support can be of the utmost importance. But this "controversy" was born out of a superficial gesture that furthered no cause, benefited no-one and served to fragment ourselves even more. For what? Where was the tangible benefit even if things went without a hitch?</p><p></p><p>You can't slap a band-aid on this stuff.</p><p></p><p><strong>But your last paragraph is really what got me, and I won't lie, I found it spurious and pretty offensive (and I try very hard to resist being offended). Because I am a part of the populations whose honour you are trying so desperately to defend.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I do swing both ways (surprise!) AND I'm mixed-race. My family and I HAVE been victims of racism. Painstripper on our cars, threats of violence, invitations to leave facilities because of complexion etc . . . White patients would refuse preoperative assessments by my father, requesting a white surgeon instead. Let's leave aside the garden-variety good ol' racial slurs and the proactivity of law enforcement on the street, road and airports, because we'd be here for a long time.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>I have tried to be respectful in all my postings here and to contribute something of worth. But this post sucks and is full of angry assumptions - I think for me, remaining a part of the forum is untenable.</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>All the best you lot. This is a special place and I hope you all continue to preserve it. I've learnt a lot and very much enjoyed your company. Cheers</strong>.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Eleutherarch, post: 1097235, member: 85519"] Guys and gals - please read this in full before responding: [USER=73592]@Which Tyler[/USER] I do in fact believe that most of these particular overtures in first world nations in the present day to be little more than corporate box-ticking exercises that patronise more than they aid. We can argue until the cows come home but "Patently not the case" and "many, many times" is not exactly a quantifiable, factual retort. On your second point, you have assumed I made a false dichotomy. I didn't. I stated merely that I believed that the method I outlined was a more effective means of bringing about the desired outcome of inclusion. Of course it is possible to do both. Demonstrations of support can be of the utmost importance. But this "controversy" was born out of a superficial gesture that furthered no cause, benefited no-one and served to fragment ourselves even more. For what? Where was the tangible benefit even if things went without a hitch? You can't slap a band-aid on this stuff. [B]But your last paragraph is really what got me, and I won't lie, I found it spurious and pretty offensive (and I try very hard to resist being offended). Because I am a part of the populations whose honour you are trying so desperately to defend. I do swing both ways (surprise!) AND I'm mixed-race. My family and I HAVE been victims of racism. Painstripper on our cars, threats of violence, invitations to leave facilities because of complexion etc . . . White patients would refuse preoperative assessments by my father, requesting a white surgeon instead. Let's leave aside the garden-variety good ol' racial slurs and the proactivity of law enforcement on the street, road and airports, because we'd be here for a long time. I have tried to be respectful in all my postings here and to contribute something of worth. But this post sucks and is full of angry assumptions - I think for me, remaining a part of the forum is untenable. All the best you lot. This is a special place and I hope you all continue to preserve it. I've learnt a lot and very much enjoyed your company. Cheers[/B]. [/QUOTE]
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