Discussion in 'General Rugby Union' started by shtove, Jan 9, 2010.

  1. shtove

    shtove Guest

    I've never played there, and I'm always critical of scrums going down. But WTF do I know?

    I came across this a few years ago - it's an account of the first few scrums in the Munster-All Blacks match at Thomond in 1978, mostly told from the POV of Ginger McLoughlin Munster prop (quoted from Stand Up And Fight):
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    Ouch! The bit about cutting of the breathing.
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  3. MunsterMan

    MunsterMan Guest

    Great read! Psychology of the scrum is very interesting.

    A friend of mine (who plays tighthead) was telling me that Marcus Horan said something similar about scrumming against Castro in the 6N last year, except for Marcus the first scrum went badly, and Castro started mocking him, so Marcus and Donncha spent the rest of the game trying to shove Catro's spine out through his arse, and he had to be taken off after 55 minutes, which gave Marcus the opportunity to start mouthing off. Anybody that has the book want to confirm or deny that?

    Lot's of awesome battles within a game in the front row, if your scrum is being murdered you just won't win, use Vickery against the Lions, Payne yesterday against Leicester, Australia/England QF, Munster in Franklin's garden this season, plenty of examples.
  4. Brilliant Read!! Best way to get a feel for front row life is to get your head in there!
  5. shtove

    shtove Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MunsterMan @ Jan 11 2010, 01:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Horan got done at the first scrum by Castro, who then said "eet will be a long day for you". DOC came back with the memorable reply, "No, it will be a long day for you." Then Horan and DOC held their own and Castro went off for a bit. Horan just makes the point about the importance of the lock in holding the prop in place - and then does a lot of mouthing off!

    Cole v Payne in the Leicester/Wasps match was fascinating. I thought Cole was brilliant, but maybe Payne is just a bit ****?

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FrontRowUnion @ Jan 12 2010, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Closest for me would be mauls, and sometimes the pressure on the neck and the claustrophobia was frightening. From that point of view you'd have to feel sorry for Vickery on the Lions tour - but it's so hard, when you see his little booties waving in the air as the scrum goes down.

    What do you think McLoughlin means by "accomodating" his fellow prop on the other side of the scrum?
  6. bristol-iain

    bristol-iain Guest

    I've played front row a bit but more 2nd row and I can say that there is no more satisfying feeling than out srumming a "superior" pack.
  7. RC

    RC Guest

    It was quite a good read, but in my opinion it's just glamourising what is essentially a clueless and boring part of the game to me, these days.
  8. shtove

    shtove Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RC @ Jan 12 2010, 04:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    You forgot the ironic smiley?
  9. Boyo R C

    Boyo R C Guest

    Im a plastic yank...i no longer understand the concept of irony - especially when it concerns emoticons.
  10. O'Rothlain

    O'Rothlain Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (RC @ Jan 11 2010, 10:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    Boooooo! You're just saying that to taunt me!

    Now that I've shown you how egotistical I am...

    The scrum is great, especially the front row battles. I've played prop since I started rugby back in the late 90's. I recently went up an old teamate who I was the first person I'd ever went up against and he was talking smack the whole match. I replied by burrying his ass in the ground over and over again, because he couldn't handle the pressure. Great feeling.
  11. Nickdnz

    Nickdnz Guest

    The great thing about playing scrum, is when you get a ref who does not know the rules of scrummaging. During my devision final, I played my best match at prop, and I destroyed in the scrums, and I did it because I was a better prop, and I liften him off the ground before I drove him back, but I kept his head down, to make it look like he was grounded, the eventual outcome of this could have been a broken back to him as his spine could snap, but when your in a scrum, you don't really care. We won the game 14-15.
  12. Boyo R C

    Boyo R C Guest

    I'm not gonna lie, i don't know the first thing that goes on in the scrum. It looks like a complete mess from the number 9 spot.
    I just keep an eye out on the opposition not binding correctly or not hitting straight and then i quickly run to the referee and tell on him!
  13. SaintDean

    SaintDean Guest

    Love scrummaging, as you said winning that scrum in a vital point is a tremendous feeling.

    after coming out of the scrum i get a second wind and im ready to continue. When you have lost a scrum its a crap feeling which makes running to either the next scrum if its 3rd team rugby or to get the the next passage of play.
  14. O'Rothlain

    O'Rothlain Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SaintDean @ Jan 13 2010, 04:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    It's funny you should say that. Whenever you play a lower level of rugby it seems like you run from scrum, to scrum, to scrum, to scrum....wheeew! I'm tired just thinking about it!
  15. shtove

    shtove Guest

    Props all around the world - express your FEELINGS!

  16. SaintDean

    SaintDean Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (O'Rothlain @ Jan 13 2010, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    It's funny you should say that. Whenever you play a lower level of rugby it seems like you run from scrum, to scrum, to scrum, to scrum....wheeew! I'm tired just thinking about it!

    3rd team is irritating as sin, i enjoy 3rd team because its not so much competitive but to enjoy the match and learn the little things you dont quite understand.

    Thats 3rd team in a nutshell Scrum to Scrum to Scrum. Sometimes uncontested is fun because you have alot more energy to chase the ball run with the ball etc.
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