Protect Our Borders

[valley commando]

How is it that all these so called refugees in Calais are men is it a sexist thing that only men get persecuted in their respective countries.

Would it not make sense to stop running when they reach a country of safety.

Why is every lorry not searched as a matter of course on arrival in Dover.

When will we start getting tougher and send them back on the next boat, how many more future terrorists are we going to welcome through the door.

 

[j'nuh]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/11/syrian-refugees-uk-visa-asylum-seekers-visa

 

[valley commando]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/11/syrian-refugees-uk-visa-asylum-seekers-visa

'Reunification Law' Another loophole we need to close immediately.

 

[Thingimubob]

Yeah, how dare they hope for a better life in one of the richest countries in the world. Damn greedy of them, obviously

Also, do you really believe we are letting in future terrorists? The vast vast majority are just scared, terrified people just trying to get away from a war torn country.

Didn't realize how many Syrians the Germans have let in, fair play to them.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Yeah, how dare they hope for a better life in one of the richest countries in the world. Damn greedy of them, obviously

Also, do you really believe we are letting in future terrorists? The vast vast majority are just scared, terrified people just trying to get away from a war torn country.

Bang on.

 

[goodNumber10]

How is it that all these so called refugees in Calais are men is it a sexist thing that only men get persecuted in their respective countries.

Would it not make sense to stop running when they reach a country of safety.

Why is every lorry not searched as a matter of course on arrival in Dover.

When will we start getting tougher and send them back on the next boat, how many more future terrorists are we going to welcome through the door.

How is this allowed on the forum?

 

[TRF_Olyy]

How is this allowed on the forum?

I.....'m not sure.
I mean, it's veiled racism, for sure, but not exactly a pleasant message.

Maybe it will promote mature discussion? If it doesn't then I'm more than happy to get rid.

 

[ZeroTwo]

I can absolutely guarantee that if I was in an impoverished, war torn country devastated by extremism I'd be doing the same thing. Not to try and radicalise, or change British culture but to go somewhere I can be safe.

I'd be more than happy to increase the tax I pay to accept more asylum seekers. They're not chancers, hoping to sponge. They're fleeing because they might get killed.

 

[Duck a l'Orange]

The whole attack on immigrants really irritates me. Apart from the obvious fact that they're often refugees whom any country should be morally obliged to provide shelter for, even economic migrants are pretty much essential for Britain's economy. We have an ageing population with a pretty dire need of young people willing to work hard, in agriculture for one, but in other sectors too. E.g. Massive shortfall of nurses, doctors, dentists, at least partly solved by professionals from abroad.

 

[profitius]

How is this allowed on the forum?

No room for free speech in a socialist society... is there!


Whether that be national socialists or communists, doesn't matter.

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The whole attack on immigrants really irritates me. Apart from the obvious fact that they're often refugees whom any country should be morally obliged to provide shelter for, even economic migrants are pretty much essential for Britain's economy. We have an ageing population with a pretty dire need of young people willing to work hard, in agriculture for one, but in other sectors too. E.g. Massive shortfall of nurses, doctors, dentists, at least partly solved by professionals from abroad.

I call it driving down wages and living standards. Thats why businesses are so much behind immigration. They get cheap labour, drives down wages for the natives and lets the tax payer pay for accomadation, food, hospital visits etc.


And of course the countries they come from are then short of these professionals.

 

[j'nuh]

No room for free speech in a socialist society... is there!


Whether that be national socialists or communists, doesn't matter.

Free speech stops the government getting arse-y about your unpopular views, it doesn't give you the right to a platform wherever you go...

I call it driving down wages and living standards. Thats why businesses are so much behind immigration. They get cheap labour, drives down wages for the natives and lets the tax payer pay for accomadation, food, hospital visits etc.

And of course the countries they come from are then short of these professionals.

No, the picture is a lot more complicated than that:

Labourers that bring in skills that complement the existing market increases the productivity of the market, leading to an increase in wages for all.

Labourers that bring in skills that already exist in the market increases competition in the sector and decreases wages. This is a significant but small and short-term effect (less than 1% for lower-waged jobs), as in the medium/long-term, the economy adjusts to the increased population. The time taken for the economy to adjust depends on the economic picture (slower in a downturn).

(Source: http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.... - Labour Market Effects of Immigration_0.pdf)

Of course, we could eliminate the undercutting of low-paid native workers by enacting a living wage...

Also worth pointing out that the native population is ageing. Immigration provides youth to the labour market.

 

[William18]

Nurses, doctors and dentists are generally unlikely to be coming to your country on a boat or as refugees. There is a difference between being pro-immigration and just allowing anyone who wants to to come to the country.

 

[TRF_Olyy]

Hence the immigration/assymlum seeking process, and illegal immigrants having the "illegal" part to the ***le.

Despite what the Daily Mail would have you believe people aren't sneaking to the country by their millions to both steal your job and claim benefits.

 

[Gavin]

Why if people who come to the UK from 'poorer' countries get called immigrants, whereas British people who go to live in other countries called Ex-pats?

Seems like double standards to me.

In either case the Western powers are responsible for the mess of the Middle East and Africa

 

[TRF_heineken]

Despite what the Daily Mail would have you believe people aren't sneaking to the country by their millions to both steal your job and claim benefits.

That is only applicable to South Africa and the current situation in Zimbabwe... Okay, maybe not millions, but definitely by their thousands!

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

It's a complex issue for sure. In SA we have a lot of immigrants from other African countries with the vast majority just hoping for a better life. Some of them are here as part f organized crime syndicates for sure but one cannot paint everyone with that brush because a small minority are here to exploit us. I've employed a Zimbabwean CAD operator myself at one time and you couldn't ask for a more pleasant, hard-working and enterprising employee. He taught himself how to use AutoCAD after buying a 2nd hand PC and admittedly a cracked copy of the software. He worked for me for 6 months and in that time learnt enough of the local by-laws to move on and generate his own work. I was sad to see him leave but can't begrudge such a hard working man looking to better the lives of his family.

I myself have half a mind to emmigrate and would like to imagine I might be welcomed in a new country if I were to respect my potential new home's laws and customs and work hard to not just improve the sitution for my family but hopefully contribute to my new society in general.

At the same time I can see how existing citizens can feel agrieved by mass immigration. A lot of crime is rightly attributed to foreigner though those are as likely illegally here as not- not your 'honest' immigrant. In SA we are facing xenophobic attacks on 'foreigners' by disgruntled South Africans who feel the immigrants 'steal' jobs by working for lower wages or are willing to work longer hours etc or who are just plain more enterprising than our fellow countrymen and have started their own servicing companies or shops even if they are very humble for the most part. There is also a cultural element to it as well, isn't there- one might get the feeling that one's country's traditional and cultural identity starts to get slowly eroded into a more multi-cultural identity. I totlly get that. Despite my being of NW Europen descent and sharing the vst majority of values and traditions one would traditionally associate with the region I have to admit that I would still very much see myself as South African and would carry a lot of our culture with me though those would be very superficial in a NW Euro setting as the culture and even language very much aligns with particularly the Netherlands but I'd be able to fit in relatively seamlessly in Germany and the UK as well.

So I guess I am saying I would understand a resistance to mass immigration. I know I would like nothing more than an Boer 'home land' somewhere as we don't have anywhere where we are selfdetermined and where policies and laws necessarily reflect our beliefs/culture. A little bit of desert somewhere will do just fine. A place where race (either yours or 'theirs') isn't an issue. Is that racist? I wouldn't know.

 

[profitius]

Free speech stops the government getting arse-y about your unpopular views, it doesn't give you the right to a platform wherever you go...

And what are my views and why do you mistakenly believe they're unpopular?

They don't want freedom of speech because they don't want to face the truth. You can say the earth is flat or the queen is a lizard, no problem but going against the socialist narrative is not allowed. What ever do they want to hide


As for the economy, how about going back to the old system which was fairer and had less interference from the governments. They're just the lapdogs of the wealthy elite. Think Fifa on a mega scale. To say we need immigrants is nonsense.

 

[valley commando]

Yeah, how dare they hope for a better life in one of the richest countries in the world. Damn greedy of them, obviously

Also, do you really believe we are letting in future terrorists? The vast vast majority are just scared, terrified people just trying to get away from a war torn country.

Didn't realize how many Syrians the Germans have let in, fair play to them.

What are they scared of in France ?

 

[Conal]

As for the economy, how about going back to the old system which was fairer and had less interference from the governments. They're just the lapdogs of the wealthy elite. Think Fifa on a mega scale. To say we need immigrants is nonsense.

as it was the the wealthy elite's lobbying to reduce and or remove government regulation on the economy. Notably the financial sector that was one of the main factors to the crash. The political system and its socio-economic powers where heavily influenced by the wealthiest in society but the answer is not to deregulate and leave all the levers of economic policy in the hands of the wealthy elite alone. Rather we need to reclaim the government through a proper social democratic program it is the best potential vehicle for real change regardless of popular it is to criticize governmental institutions


The simple matter of fact is with the west's ageing population and increasing dependency ratio we need immigration. to what degree is the real argument to be had

 

[valley commando]

And what are my views and why do you mistakenly believe they're unpopular?

They don't want freedom of speech because they don't want to face the truth. You can say the earth is flat or the queen is a lizard, no problem but going against the socialist narrative is not allowed. What ever do they want to hide


As for the economy, how about going back to the old system which was fairer and had less interference from the governments. They're just the lapdogs of the wealthy elite. Think Fifa on a mega scale. To say we need immigrants is nonsense.

Well said.

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as it was the the wealthy elite's lobbying to reduce and or remove government regulation on the economy. Notably the financial sector that was one of the main factors to the crash. The political system and its socio-economic powers where heavily influenced by the wealthiest in society but the answer is not to deregulate and leave all the levers of economic policy in the hands of the wealthy elite alone. Rather we need to reclaim the government through a proper social democratic program it is the best potential vehicle for real change regardless of popular it is to criticize governmental institutions


The simple matter of fact is with the west's ageing population and increasing dependency ratio we need immigration. to what degree is the real argument to be had

We don't need immigration we need to change the benefit system to force the idle spongers we have back into the workplace, currently there are migrants being paid to do jobs that benefit claimers are equally able to do, so it would be cheaper all round to reduce benefits and force people back into work, this benefit reduction would also discourage any migrants from coming just to claim benefits, therefore any migrants entering the country would be coming for the right reasons.