Protein Shakes

Discussion in 'General Rugby Union' started by QLD, Feb 28, 2009.

  1. QLD

    QLD Guest

    I remember theres a topic before talking about shakes with Woldog and Jericho. Anyway can anyone recommend to me how how many shakes and how much I should do each week to try and gain as much weight as possible.

    I'm a lock, 78kg and I know I'm at least 5-7kg off being a good weight. I'm doing the weight sessions twice a week at school and two field sessions plus my own cardio. I've been doing 3 shakes a day. It's sort of working but lately I've become slack and haven't been as commited. Please give us your opinions
     
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  3. Woldog

    Woldog Guest

    3 shakes a day is good, I usually do 1 shake 20-30 mins before weights, or field training, then one after, and another when I'm going to bed, remember, you don't want to just drink shakes over and over that's no good. also remember put one more spoon in then the recommended amount. After an actual game of rugby drink two, same thing goes for a really hardcore training session.

    Just don't overdo the shakes, or you will put on "Bad weight".
     
  4. candybum

    candybum Guest

    KFC? lol
     
  5. jawmalawm24

    jawmalawm24 Guest

    Do like what I did sat on my ass on the benefit for about 2 months played playstation watched dvds and surfed the net all day long and managed to gain a good 10-15kgs just like that lol.
     
  6. OSU Blue

    OSU Blue Guest

    It's hard to say how many is good without seeing the nutritional facts. a shake of about 50 grams of protein is good 3 times a day. go for more of the weight gainers than just protein powder. they have a ton of calories and carbohydrates, which are vital to put on size. it shouldn't be an issue with 'bad weight' since you seem quite active. your other meals during the day should also have very high protein/carb/calorie contents. each time you should aim for 50 grams protein per meal. from what i have researched, that seems to be the maximum amount your body will take in at a time, the rest is discarded as waste... good luck.
     
  7. danroadking

    danroadking Guest

    That will help.
     
  8. DC

    DC Guest

    Protein shakes are essential to becoming a stronger, fitter player.

    However, keep in mind that MOST of your protein should come from whole foods (whole grains, eggs, chicken, fish etc.)

    I take 3 shakes a day, mine is 100% whey protein that contains 24g of protein in one scoop. I mix it with either a.) skim milk (take before bed, the protein in milk is slow absorbing) or b.) water (it actually absorbs quicker into your body with water, so i reccomend it for pre and post workouts)
     
  9. No, hard work is essential to becoming bigger, faster and stronger. No point in taking protein shakes and all of that stuff unless you're prepared to put the hard hours in the gym. I've used them, they do make a little bit of difference, but the biggest gains I've made in size and strength came through just upping the intesnity of my weights programme.

    Plus, they make your farts smell like hell.
     
  10. Steve-o

    Steve-o Guest

    Haha!
    Have you tried taking nitrous oxide as well? My NO sup is called Maxx Pump but I call it Maxx Dump. Makes you crap like a horse.

    BTW good advise coming in here. But to the guys who take sups before bed, are you taking whey when you do this? Because if you are, taking egg protein will work better since it releases amino acids slower, therefore you should have everything in your blood stream if you work out in the morning. That of course depends if you work out in the morning.
     
  11. Woldog

    Woldog Guest

    I work out while I sleep.
     
  12. It's all about doing guns baby!
     
  13. DC

    DC Guest

    Use casein protein before bed because it is not a fast acting protein and will stimulate muscle repair and growth overnight.

    Use whey protein after and before workouts.
     
  14. goatherder

    goatherder Guest

    Are u adding carbs to your PWO and morning shakes?
     
  15. whatamunson

    whatamunson Guest

    Thinking of starting to take these shakes as well but I'm a bit worried about putting on bad weight. Im already over weight. Got a good belly on me that Im planning on shifting with swimming and running and doing weights in between. Should I wait till Ive shifted the belly before I start taking shakes and if Im doing one day running/swimming then next day weights, should I only take shakes the day Im doing weights?? Advice much appreciated. Cheers.
     
  16. OSU Blue

    OSU Blue Guest

    Taking protein wont give you bad weight. Taking weight gainers will give you bad weight. You should take the protein on your off days as well, assuming you've worked out lately. Whatever protein your body doesn't use, will be wasted, not stored. Calories on the other hand, are stored. In a nutshell, take the shakes whenever you've lifted/worked out within a couple days.
     
  17. zxsw85

    zxsw85 Guest

    Agreed. Weight gainers are stupid.
     
  18. Tomsey

    Tomsey Guest

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DC @ May 29 2009, 02:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    this is good advice. fast whey protein is best for workouts. if you are eating a relatively high protein diet of several small meals a day (rather than 3 large ones) then its debateable weather you need to to take protein shakes all day. alot of the protein will just be excreted unabsorbed. unless you want to get up in the middle of the night for a shake then you will want to take a slow release protein like casein before you go to bed. the best natural source of casein protein is cottege cheese. its also low in fat which is a bonus.

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (zxsw85 @ Nov 29 2009, 07:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div>
    weight gainers are not stupid. people who use weight gainers improperly or when they aren't required are stupid.
     
  19. RC

    RC Guest

    Yup, DC, has become pretty knowledgable on nutrition over the past few years (i won't take TOO MUCH credit for that, lol)
    But like he said Casein protein before bed is a slow releasing protein and essential when you're asleep because it'll stop your body turning to your muscles for energy when your stomach is empty. If you don't have any casein protein try eating cottage cheese right before bed...BOOM! Packed with casein. As is milk.

    As soon as you wake up get some whey down you. Fast acting protein is essential after a night of battling of the terrors of muscle loss.

    I take a whey when i wake up with my brekkie, before i train (20-30mins) and straight away after i train (within a 5-10 minute window).
    I have cottage cheese before i go to bed (eat it before you brush your teeth, serisouly!) and a glass of milk.

    With my protein i used to bulk it up with carbs, but i dont have the money to keep doing that anymore. It helps because i train so often (on field and in gym) and my metabolism is pretty quick. So i burn a lot of calories...but i can't be arsed to count them, that's for sure.

    Eat lots, but i assure you, if you eat simple sugars and fast foods, the weight will come on quickly, hold you back and take a long time to be burnt off.
    Save yourself the hassle and dont eat badly.
     
  20. Jer1cho

    Jer1cho Guest

    Here's the thing to remember about shakes:

    1) They need to be used as a means to 'recover' used up energy, and to fuel muscle growth.

    2) They need to be used as a 'meal replacement' as opposed to an 'extra source' of protein.

    Protein is what you need give your body so that it can build muscle. It will only work though, if you use it with a good exercise plan. If you are trying to bulk up a little, i would recommend any products with tags such as 'X-plode' or 'Whey', as these supplements aid the body in storing as much muscle fuel as possible.

    Also, never drink shakes with milk. Water only people. Shakes + Milk = milkshakes. Which is fatty! But, in your case, i might actually recommend you drink it with milk, as opposed to water, because you WILL gain a little bit of weight if you do this.

    As for how much of it to drink, well that depends on your lifestyle. I am at the gym twice a day. I go before work, and do strictly cardio (running rowing and swimming). Thus, i use the shake as a form of meal replacement after i am done to replace the lost energy. I then hit the gym straight after work, and focus strictly on weight training. Once i am done, i drink a shake and feel my muscles build as i sleep!

    If you are far more active than that (rugby practice or whatever) I would say 3 a day is good, as long as you can afford to keep it up financially that is.

    If you are really struggling to pick up mass, then eat more. Red meat is fantastic for mass gain, as well as cheese and plenty of milk. Also, try to cut down on cardio, and focus more on weight training. Don't sit and do 15 reps of a weight you can handle because remember, the heavier you lift, the more muscle is needed, and thus the most growth will happen. Low reps of heavy weights are the best way to gain in size, rather than shape.
     
  21. Geordiefalcon

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    Just make sure you have a good diet. Plenty of steaks, chicken etc etc.

    Protein shakes are just a good marketing scheme to get £40 a tub out of your pocket.
     
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