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<blockquote data-quote="Yoshimitsu" data-source="post: 961477" data-attributes="member: 71899"><p>Who wants to play lawyer? I re-watched the England vs USA this morning as I am a man of leisure. Which means I have far too much time on my hands............. I'm not sure how well this is going to work but bear with me. There was an excellent super slow motion of the tackle Piers Francis made. They say everything looks worse in slow motion. In this case I don't agree....The case for the defence if I may?</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]7501[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>The camera appears to be static that allows reference points to be established. First things first it's not a shoulder charge as you can clearly see the arms are wrapped successfully. We're then in to territory of the framework. There is some argument to be made as to whether point 2 or 3 of the red card sanction applies. However in terms of outcome it's irrelevant. Though interestingly I suspect that Francis actually makes contact with his right arm / shoulder first.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]7502[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>However, we're then looking at mitigation.</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]7503[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Now given that there's a very small elapsed time between image 1 and image 42 is there any evidence of the ball carrier dropping height? Absolutely there is and we've got reference points that prove it. If you look at image 1 (apologies for the poor image it was a fade but it's important for context). Look at the ball carriers head in comparison to the railings / hoarding behind. I'd offer as further mitigation the fact that you can actually see Francis looking at the ball.</p><p></p><p>At image 1 the horizontal railing in the background is level with the American player's ear and the ball tip is almost level with the top of the green advertising hoarding. First contact is made somewhere around image 23 by which time the entirety of the Ball carrier's head is now below the level of the horizontal railing. If we say image 28 is the one they'll use to hang Francis on (clear shoulder to head). Then I'd like to compare the level at which Francis makes contact. His shoulder is pretty much in line with the lower edge of the advertising hoarding. If we then return to image 1 and compare if the ball carrier had not changed height then Francis would have contacted the ball.</p><p></p><p>Honestly my view is that this is a world away from the Samoan tackles which had no attempt to wrap and 0 control of body position. I believe there's a strong case for a yellow card but that's the limit of the offence Francis committed.</p><p></p><p>On edit - Forum software limits the size of files I can upload. However if anyone is really interested the best replay occurs at 62:53 on the ITV coverage. Marler gives a cheeky wink before the tackle is shown.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Yoshimitsu, post: 961477, member: 71899"] Who wants to play lawyer? I re-watched the England vs USA this morning as I am a man of leisure. Which means I have far too much time on my hands............. I'm not sure how well this is going to work but bear with me. There was an excellent super slow motion of the tackle Piers Francis made. They say everything looks worse in slow motion. In this case I don't agree....The case for the defence if I may? [ATTACH=full]7501[/ATTACH] The camera appears to be static that allows reference points to be established. First things first it's not a shoulder charge as you can clearly see the arms are wrapped successfully. We're then in to territory of the framework. There is some argument to be made as to whether point 2 or 3 of the red card sanction applies. However in terms of outcome it's irrelevant. Though interestingly I suspect that Francis actually makes contact with his right arm / shoulder first. [ATTACH=full]7502[/ATTACH] However, we're then looking at mitigation. [ATTACH=full]7503[/ATTACH] Now given that there's a very small elapsed time between image 1 and image 42 is there any evidence of the ball carrier dropping height? Absolutely there is and we've got reference points that prove it. If you look at image 1 (apologies for the poor image it was a fade but it's important for context). Look at the ball carriers head in comparison to the railings / hoarding behind. I'd offer as further mitigation the fact that you can actually see Francis looking at the ball. At image 1 the horizontal railing in the background is level with the American player's ear and the ball tip is almost level with the top of the green advertising hoarding. First contact is made somewhere around image 23 by which time the entirety of the Ball carrier's head is now below the level of the horizontal railing. If we say image 28 is the one they'll use to hang Francis on (clear shoulder to head). Then I'd like to compare the level at which Francis makes contact. His shoulder is pretty much in line with the lower edge of the advertising hoarding. If we then return to image 1 and compare if the ball carrier had not changed height then Francis would have contacted the ball. Honestly my view is that this is a world away from the Samoan tackles which had no attempt to wrap and 0 control of body position. I believe there's a strong case for a yellow card but that's the limit of the offence Francis committed. On edit - Forum software limits the size of files I can upload. However if anyone is really interested the best replay occurs at 62:53 on the ITV coverage. Marler gives a cheeky wink before the tackle is shown. [/QUOTE]
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