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<blockquote data-quote="psychic duck" data-source="post: 568307" data-attributes="member: 48703"><p>cmac95. It is clear from this that you just put ROG as better in all the years Ireland were better and Jones in the years where Wales were better (2009 the exception). And also put O'Gara as better at club level because Munster were better than the Scarlets.</p><p></p><p>This just proves my point about those of ROG's supporters who fail to recognise what allowed him to kick and chip his way through his career. The players outside him. Stephen Jones was always better, just because his team wasn't as good doesn't mean he wasn't as good. </p><p></p><p>The same player who was in a club side who was awful in 2008/2009 with the Scarlets was the same player who was by far the better player on the Lions tour. He didn't suddenly change player because he changed jersey. He was a better player too when he was at the Scarlets too, just because he wasn't in such a good team but doesn't mean that he wasn't as good, it wasn't down to Jones not doing so well that the Scarlets struggled. </p><p></p><p>The best judging point was that when both had the same team and same players around them that Jones was far better and the other ended up costing the tour. Equally in 2005 Jones started the tests, ROG was a dirt tracker.</p><p></p><p>Just look at the front 5 that the Scarlets had (<a href="http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/matchcentre/1703.php" target="_blank">http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/matchcentre/1703.php</a>) compared to Munster's all experienced international which knew every trick in the book.</p><p></p><p>Again with Wales. You name all the year that Ireland beat Wales (03, 04, 06, 07) as ones where ROG was better. Not that simple. Look at the game in 2006, Wales had a centre combination of Watkins and Luscombe against D'Arcy and BOD.</p><p></p><p>Jones in every year had a better running and passing game, pretty much as goode or at least nearly as good a punting game, better defence. The only bit where ROG wins clearly is last minute drop goals.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He never did cement the jersey really. But he was far more a contender than Paddy Wallace and Jeremy Staunton for Ireland between 2003-2009.</p><p></p><p>And stop saying "if you hate ROG". I admit I am not a fan of him for his off field ego and over inflated view of himself, but that isn't to do with my view of him as a player.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="psychic duck, post: 568307, member: 48703"] cmac95. It is clear from this that you just put ROG as better in all the years Ireland were better and Jones in the years where Wales were better (2009 the exception). And also put O'Gara as better at club level because Munster were better than the Scarlets. This just proves my point about those of ROG's supporters who fail to recognise what allowed him to kick and chip his way through his career. The players outside him. Stephen Jones was always better, just because his team wasn't as good doesn't mean he wasn't as good. The same player who was in a club side who was awful in 2008/2009 with the Scarlets was the same player who was by far the better player on the Lions tour. He didn't suddenly change player because he changed jersey. He was a better player too when he was at the Scarlets too, just because he wasn't in such a good team but doesn't mean that he wasn't as good, it wasn't down to Jones not doing so well that the Scarlets struggled. The best judging point was that when both had the same team and same players around them that Jones was far better and the other ended up costing the tour. Equally in 2005 Jones started the tests, ROG was a dirt tracker. Just look at the front 5 that the Scarlets had ([URL]http://www.ercrugby.com/eng/matchcentre/1703.php[/URL]) compared to Munster's all experienced international which knew every trick in the book. Again with Wales. You name all the year that Ireland beat Wales (03, 04, 06, 07) as ones where ROG was better. Not that simple. Look at the game in 2006, Wales had a centre combination of Watkins and Luscombe against D'Arcy and BOD. Jones in every year had a better running and passing game, pretty much as goode or at least nearly as good a punting game, better defence. The only bit where ROG wins clearly is last minute drop goals. He never did cement the jersey really. But he was far more a contender than Paddy Wallace and Jeremy Staunton for Ireland between 2003-2009. And stop saying "if you hate ROG". I admit I am not a fan of him for his off field ego and over inflated view of himself, but that isn't to do with my view of him as a player. [/QUOTE]
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