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<blockquote data-quote="Gay-Guy" data-source="post: 60829"><p>Well what I meant was that the expansion of Super rugby is not necessarily <em>needed </em>for kiwis......it is good in some respects but we don't live and die on it.</p><p></p><p>Even the tri nations concept...we were fine before it and we will still be around if it collapsed.</p><p></p><p>So for us kiwis the need for a bigger longer Super season with consequently a more prolific grand final isn't neccessarily in our best interests from a national perspective. We still want the NPC to be valued (even though it is second to S14) and I am sure S.A would be devasted if their Currie Cup was scraped for an oexpanded international club comp. A bit like the Champions league in European soccer......it is a great comp but it would be tragic if anyone pushed for it to be expanded at the expense of all the domestic comps.</p><p></p><p>The NZ rugby structure is one of the best in the world.</p><p></p><p>In NZ we have rugby catering for all players at all levels throughout the year...there is no "waiting in limbo" stage. The S14 is seen as a pre-season comp for the Elite only. After the S14 those that are AB material go into camp to prepare for the pre tri nations series. Those that miss out but are very very good S14 go into camp for NPC while playing a few "club" games. Those who totally sucked at S14 level and are not even wanted by their provinces go play these club games.</p><p></p><p>So a new unknown players career in NZ starting at the bottom to the top normally would go (unless they are fast tracked) like so. Early Feb they have club trials for the premier team. If he makes it to premier then good...if not then Senior B or other stuff. If he plays well in Club (March to June/July) then he may be selected for Provincial..otherwise his season is over. Provincial is July-Oct....if he is a standout star in a Division one team he may get selected for the AB "development" tour (yep...really the end of year tours up north are experiments). If he goes on that tour he will definetely have a S14 contract the following year (or if he makes the NPC he may still get a S14 spot regardless). The next year if he is a form player of the S14 (which is really a trial for that years AB players) he will get an AB spot in the early domestic season internationals. If he does well there he will be asked for the top spot of NZ rugby, a place in the AB squad for the Tri-nations (different from the AB squads for domestic and end of year north tour) otherwise it is back in the NPC mix to re-master his skills....... and so the cycle goes on.</p><p></p><p>Basically it is equal opportunity for anyone who wants to make it. Even anyone in a lower NPC team can shift to play club rugby in a top province and await a chance to be noticed (and you will be noticed if you are good enough). </p><p></p><p>If other countries get their domestic structure fixed up then little NZ will start to find winning very very difficult. Particularly S.A. with all their talent. Henry wanted to fix up the Welsh administration to follow the NZ infrastructure but he was blocked by old men who couldn't see any good thing past the 70's.</p><p></p><p>So back on topic..</p><p>...sometimes in the NZ infrastructure you get guys like Lavea who try and skip the system thinking that their skills elsewhere will complement them in NZ rugby. Well what happens is that they do some good for a while....then their basics that they should have ironed out in reserve grade club rugby start to become exploited. Lavea needs to be dropped from S14 and put into the NPC wringer or go down more to Auckland Club rugby....and never show his head again until he stands out at those grades first. </p><p></p><p>They did this back to basics technique to lots of AB's.....Bunce, Merhts, Lomu, Ripper :lol:</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gay-Guy, post: 60829"] Well what I meant was that the expansion of Super rugby is not necessarily [i]needed [/i]for kiwis......it is good in some respects but we don't live and die on it. Even the tri nations concept...we were fine before it and we will still be around if it collapsed. So for us kiwis the need for a bigger longer Super season with consequently a more prolific grand final isn't neccessarily in our best interests from a national perspective. We still want the NPC to be valued (even though it is second to S14) and I am sure S.A would be devasted if their Currie Cup was scraped for an oexpanded international club comp. A bit like the Champions league in European soccer......it is a great comp but it would be tragic if anyone pushed for it to be expanded at the expense of all the domestic comps. The NZ rugby structure is one of the best in the world. In NZ we have rugby catering for all players at all levels throughout the year...there is no "waiting in limbo" stage. The S14 is seen as a pre-season comp for the Elite only. After the S14 those that are AB material go into camp to prepare for the pre tri nations series. Those that miss out but are very very good S14 go into camp for NPC while playing a few "club" games. Those who totally sucked at S14 level and are not even wanted by their provinces go play these club games. So a new unknown players career in NZ starting at the bottom to the top normally would go (unless they are fast tracked) like so. Early Feb they have club trials for the premier team. If he makes it to premier then good...if not then Senior B or other stuff. If he plays well in Club (March to June/July) then he may be selected for Provincial..otherwise his season is over. Provincial is July-Oct....if he is a standout star in a Division one team he may get selected for the AB "development" tour (yep...really the end of year tours up north are experiments). If he goes on that tour he will definetely have a S14 contract the following year (or if he makes the NPC he may still get a S14 spot regardless). The next year if he is a form player of the S14 (which is really a trial for that years AB players) he will get an AB spot in the early domestic season internationals. If he does well there he will be asked for the top spot of NZ rugby, a place in the AB squad for the Tri-nations (different from the AB squads for domestic and end of year north tour) otherwise it is back in the NPC mix to re-master his skills....... and so the cycle goes on. Basically it is equal opportunity for anyone who wants to make it. Even anyone in a lower NPC team can shift to play club rugby in a top province and await a chance to be noticed (and you will be noticed if you are good enough). If other countries get their domestic structure fixed up then little NZ will start to find winning very very difficult. Particularly S.A. with all their talent. Henry wanted to fix up the Welsh administration to follow the NZ infrastructure but he was blocked by old men who couldn't see any good thing past the 70's. So back on topic.. ...sometimes in the NZ infrastructure you get guys like Lavea who try and skip the system thinking that their skills elsewhere will complement them in NZ rugby. Well what happens is that they do some good for a while....then their basics that they should have ironed out in reserve grade club rugby start to become exploited. Lavea needs to be dropped from S14 and put into the NPC wringer or go down more to Auckland Club rugby....and never show his head again until he stands out at those grades first. They did this back to basics technique to lots of AB's.....Bunce, Merhts, Lomu, Ripper :lol: [/QUOTE]
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