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<blockquote data-quote="MightyQuin" data-source="post: 11171"><p>I am also a big fan of JLR - but admit I would have to start most defences of it with "At the time it was ..." </p><p></p><p>At the time (!), it was one of the best multiplayer sports games around - and it's really annoying to think how good a rugby game we could now have if there had been annual or even just bi-annual updates to that ***le, rather than the drip feed of rugby games (most first time attempts) since then.</p><p></p><p>Yes there were some rule errors (knockons, kicks dead in goal, the quick lineout behind your own line giving a 22m dropout quirk) - but compared to all but Rugby 2001 it was by far the closest to the game.</p><p></p><p>WCR seemed to manage to take gameplay features out (quick lineouts, jumping, marks, touch down in own in-goal) and dumb it down, but if I'd wanted to smash buttons on my controller as fast as I can, I'd get Track & Field instead - you don't see anyone on Pro Evo or Madden bashing a button in order to tackle harder do you?? - so why have both WCR and SJRL decided we need to destroy controllers to play rugby?!</p><p></p><p>The main thing that stopped me playing JLR though was lack of options. You could play as the Lions or Baa-Baa's but only in a specific comp, no injuries / subs / player ratings, but mainly I remember it was damn annoying to only be able to play 5 min matches in any of the comps!!</p><p></p><p>In Rugby 2001 you could make all the teams manually selected, then play through every match in a world cup on 15 min length, with the AI playing one of the teams (it didn't force you to manually control teams even if they were manually selected at the start).</p><p>I remember doing this, playing as the lowest ranked of the two teams through every world cup match - and it was a sad day in Namibia they day they lost 10-7 to a last minute try in the final to Australia!</p><p></p><p>Not everyone is going to agree that JLR is the best rugby game to date - but the sad fact is, that there are lot of things in JLR that are still the best that have been done in a rugby game to date - jumping, rolling mauls, passing, kicking from hand - before even looking at more arguable points like line outs, different tackle types, rules accuracy or goal kicking.</p><p></p><p>As a big fan of league and union, I was impressed with SJRL, and don't find the "random" penalties on defence any worse than the overly keen interceptions and player momentum in rugby 2001, the knockons in JLR, or the big hit button in WCR (the list for rugby 2004 is too long to pick one item for here!). It also has great single player longevity given the flexibility of creating your own tournaments and teams.</p><p></p><p>For what its worth, my rugby game list would go</p><p></p><p>1. SJRL</p><p>2. JLR</p><p>3. Rugby 2001</p><p>4. WCR</p><p>5. SuperLeague Rugby (an odd cartoon style RL game!)</p><p>6. Audiogenic World Class Rugby (advanced for its time with set piece plays)</p><p>7. Rugby 2004</p><p></p><p>The only ones I no longer own are the two EA sports ones.</p><p></p><p>I really really hope Locksley is right about rugby 2005 though - and if he is, I'll buy him a beer next time he's down in Brentford for a Broncos game!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MightyQuin, post: 11171"] I am also a big fan of JLR - but admit I would have to start most defences of it with "At the time it was ..." At the time (!), it was one of the best multiplayer sports games around - and it's really annoying to think how good a rugby game we could now have if there had been annual or even just bi-annual updates to that ***le, rather than the drip feed of rugby games (most first time attempts) since then. Yes there were some rule errors (knockons, kicks dead in goal, the quick lineout behind your own line giving a 22m dropout quirk) - but compared to all but Rugby 2001 it was by far the closest to the game. WCR seemed to manage to take gameplay features out (quick lineouts, jumping, marks, touch down in own in-goal) and dumb it down, but if I'd wanted to smash buttons on my controller as fast as I can, I'd get Track & Field instead - you don't see anyone on Pro Evo or Madden bashing a button in order to tackle harder do you?? - so why have both WCR and SJRL decided we need to destroy controllers to play rugby?! The main thing that stopped me playing JLR though was lack of options. You could play as the Lions or Baa-Baa's but only in a specific comp, no injuries / subs / player ratings, but mainly I remember it was damn annoying to only be able to play 5 min matches in any of the comps!! In Rugby 2001 you could make all the teams manually selected, then play through every match in a world cup on 15 min length, with the AI playing one of the teams (it didn't force you to manually control teams even if they were manually selected at the start). I remember doing this, playing as the lowest ranked of the two teams through every world cup match - and it was a sad day in Namibia they day they lost 10-7 to a last minute try in the final to Australia! Not everyone is going to agree that JLR is the best rugby game to date - but the sad fact is, that there are lot of things in JLR that are still the best that have been done in a rugby game to date - jumping, rolling mauls, passing, kicking from hand - before even looking at more arguable points like line outs, different tackle types, rules accuracy or goal kicking. As a big fan of league and union, I was impressed with SJRL, and don't find the "random" penalties on defence any worse than the overly keen interceptions and player momentum in rugby 2001, the knockons in JLR, or the big hit button in WCR (the list for rugby 2004 is too long to pick one item for here!). It also has great single player longevity given the flexibility of creating your own tournaments and teams. For what its worth, my rugby game list would go 1. SJRL 2. JLR 3. Rugby 2001 4. WCR 5. SuperLeague Rugby (an odd cartoon style RL game!) 6. Audiogenic World Class Rugby (advanced for its time with set piece plays) 7. Rugby 2004 The only ones I no longer own are the two EA sports ones. I really really hope Locksley is right about rugby 2005 though - and if he is, I'll buy him a beer next time he's down in Brentford for a Broncos game! [/QUOTE]
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