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<blockquote data-quote="redunderthebed" data-source="post: 222526"><p><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Oct 9 2008, 12:53 AM) <a href="http://index.php?act=findpost&pid=352057" target="_blank"><{POST_SNAPBACK}></a></div></p><p></p><p>No no i know full well that Russia govt is s**t and bad dont get me wrong, what really annoys me is that the west are allowing really really really vile govt exist all over the world but go after Russia not because they give a toss about democracy is that they mess with the west interests and its carefully cultivated relationships with Eastern Europe and the former soviet union.This shows to me that they use democracy and the lack of thereof and human rights as a political tool against people they dont like and dont get on with.</p><p></p><p>I present you this example: The middle east apart from Israel.</p><p></p><p>They dont want *real* democracy in the middle east why? because they know after years and f**king years of propping up sheiks and princes and whoever else so they can get oil that anti-american islamists would win almost all the elections and tell the yanks to f**k off just like they did in Iran (sans the election admittedly) </p><p></p><p>Also will let people who will schmooze and not get in there way and possibly have something like oh i don't know oil or gas to sell they will let them torture,rig elections and oppress there own people and stay in power and sometimes help them by giving them new toys to make sure there man stays in power.Its not as bad as it was in the Cold War but its still alive and kicking no doubt.</p><p></p><p>In short the US and its mates are f**king hypocrites and should start promoting democracy everywhere if they are sincere about it.</p><p></p><p>Georgia was armed to the teeth and its military re-trained by the USA and they thought they could get away with re-invading South Ossetia and Abkhazia but the ruskis went no you dont! and crushed Georgia quite frankly it was a year 1 taking on a big year 12 bloke and we know who is going to win that fight in the schoolyard and this is no different. </p><p></p><p>I remember Israel doing something similar in Lebanon but the US wasnt jumping up and down about it.What is the difference? Mikhail is a friend of the US and is the one copping it.Israel is basically the only solid ally the US has in the Middle East that isnt dependent on the money flowing. (although the military aid to systematically oppress the palestinian people and build a apartheid system does help).</p><p></p><p>I feel for Georgia there people have suffered because of geopolitics and other assorted B*llshit.Russia cant claim the moral highground on this nor can Georgia or its backers it played with fire and got burnt the govt is no victim in this i fear we are going to have more of these proxy battles a la the cold war in this region.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="redunderthebed, post: 222526"] <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Prestwick @ Oct 9 2008, 12:53 AM) [url='index.php?act=findpost&pid=352057']<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div> No no i know full well that Russia govt is s**t and bad dont get me wrong, what really annoys me is that the west are allowing really really really vile govt exist all over the world but go after Russia not because they give a toss about democracy is that they mess with the west interests and its carefully cultivated relationships with Eastern Europe and the former soviet union.This shows to me that they use democracy and the lack of thereof and human rights as a political tool against people they dont like and dont get on with. I present you this example: The middle east apart from Israel. They dont want *real* democracy in the middle east why? because they know after years and f**king years of propping up sheiks and princes and whoever else so they can get oil that anti-american islamists would win almost all the elections and tell the yanks to f**k off just like they did in Iran (sans the election admittedly) Also will let people who will schmooze and not get in there way and possibly have something like oh i don't know oil or gas to sell they will let them torture,rig elections and oppress there own people and stay in power and sometimes help them by giving them new toys to make sure there man stays in power.Its not as bad as it was in the Cold War but its still alive and kicking no doubt. In short the US and its mates are f**king hypocrites and should start promoting democracy everywhere if they are sincere about it. Georgia was armed to the teeth and its military re-trained by the USA and they thought they could get away with re-invading South Ossetia and Abkhazia but the ruskis went no you dont! and crushed Georgia quite frankly it was a year 1 taking on a big year 12 bloke and we know who is going to win that fight in the schoolyard and this is no different. I remember Israel doing something similar in Lebanon but the US wasnt jumping up and down about it.What is the difference? Mikhail is a friend of the US and is the one copping it.Israel is basically the only solid ally the US has in the Middle East that isnt dependent on the money flowing. (although the military aid to systematically oppress the palestinian people and build a apartheid system does help). I feel for Georgia there people have suffered because of geopolitics and other assorted B*llshit.Russia cant claim the moral highground on this nor can Georgia or its backers it played with fire and got burnt the govt is no victim in this i fear we are going to have more of these proxy battles a la the cold war in this region. [/QUOTE]
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