[RWC2019][Quarter-Final 1] England vs. Australia (19/10/2019)

[bushytop]

Have you ever seen a game officiated by Garces and TMO'd by Skeen?

Fiji vs Wales... Garcès has a pet name for Skeen... 'Skiiny'.

 

[Scotty]

We need to start Curry Underhill Billy in the bsck row with Wilson on the bench. We dont need wilsons carrying when we have the others in the packs then bring Wilson on to make an impact at 60 min.

One thing about this England game there are alot of sarries players their who know alot about play off games and winning them. They kept their heads in the prem final to come back from 11 points down. So i think we will be ready.

I cant wait for this weekend, its her birthday weekend but ive made a deal to stop her moaning about me watching all 4 games .


On all games i just like the match ups.
Japan vs SA - form vs favourites plus the crowd and history of last world cup.

NZ vs Ire - Ire out of form a little bit but this same team put NZ in their place twice in this WC cycle.

Wales vs France - 6N GS Champions won every game but do look shaky at times, France are just shakey all the time but with some flare added in for good measure.

England vs Aus - we beat them the last 6 times of playing? But right them off at our peril.

Some good match ups but i do also think most people do think the same on the favourites.

Odds are

England vs NZ
SA vs Wales

Final...F#%$ knows. Suppose i did think NZ vs SA final coming into this with England in as a potential upset to this.

 

[WaterboySA]

For England to win this game they will have to stop man mountain 13......and I heard a certain Mr Steve Smith was spotted in Tokyo......

 

[TRF_Olyy]

We need to start Curry Underhill Billy in the bsck row with Wilson on the bench. We dont need wilsons carrying when we have the others in the packs then bring Wilson on to make an impact at 60 min.

If Wilson is fully fit I'd be really tempted to play a Wilson/Curry/Binny backrow with Underhill on the bench - as good as Curry/Underhill have been together, Wilson/Curry looked like the best flank partnership we've had in over a decade in the short time they played together.

Realistically it makes minimal difference as we're in a vveerryy good place for backrowers atm, and Wilson covering 6/8 from the bench does make a lot of sense so I'm not that fussed either way - just personal preference.

 

[Scotty]

If Wilson is fully fit I'd be really tempted to play a Wilson/Curry/Binny backrow with Underhill on the bench - as good as Curry/Underhill have been together, Wilson/Curry looked like the best flank partnership we've had in over a decade in the short time they played together.

Realistically it makes minimal difference as we're in a vveerryy good place for backrowers atm, and Wilson covering 6/8 from the bench does make a lot of sense so I'm not that fussed either way - just personal preference.

I just want to slow down the Aus ball counter their Pooper and underhills tackling can stop a promising attack dead. Surprised them 2 arnt hunting in pairs, Underhill crunches them backwords curry gets over the ball.

Then bring on wilson for carrying and work rate for any of the back row. That was my thinking but wilson curry billy. underhill is definatly not weak.

 

[Which Tyler]

I just want to slow down the Aus ball counter their Pooper and underhills tackling can stop a promising attack dead. Surprised them 2 arnt hunting in pairs, Underhill crunches them backwords curry gets over the ball.

Then bring on wilson for carrying and work rate for any of the back row. That was my thinking but wilson curry billy. underhill is definatly not weak.

I'd as the thought that I'd really like the #8 cover to be fresh when brought into that position, rather than having already played 60 minutes.
Quite honestly though, we can't pick a bad backrow out of the options available

 

[TRF_stormer2010]

England v Australia
Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant Referees: Romain Poite (France), Mathieu Raynal (France)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Wow. This line-up is what my nightmares are made of. I suppose this is expected to benefit England more but the random calls at the scrum might actually aid Aussie. I hope my misgivings are unwarranted and all contribute a great game.

 

[TRF_heineken]

England v Australia
Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant Referees: Romain Poite (France), Mathieu Raynal (France)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Wow. This line-up is what my nightmares are made of. I suppose this is expected to benefit England more but the random calls at the scrum might actually aid Aussie. I hope my misgivings are unwarranted and all contribute a great game.

Ouch! Just shows you that even WR dislikes Cheika that much to have an all-french referees and AR's with Skeen as the TMO. It's like they want Cheika to ***** after the game...

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Pocock has been out injured for the Brumbies this season and he looked really undercooked to me v Wales, who shut him out. He also looks less bulky up top compared to previous years. Of course, this may well be the match he suddenly get 4 turnovers. But I think our back row can snuff out the Pooper if our front 5 get outmuscle Australia's front 5.

 

[Ben Skeen]

Ouch! Just shows you that even WR dislikes Cheika that much to have an all-french referees and AR's with Skeen as the TMO. It's like they want Cheika to ***** after the game...

Keep that up and you're going to the bin for 10 minutes, everyone loves me.

 

[Bada-Bing!]

Keep that up and you're going to the bin for 10 minutes, everyone loves me.

welcome to the board Ben. Good to have a ref on board since Cookey left.

 

[TRF_heineken]

Ben just got black carded - Death Penalty

 

[Yoshimitsu]

England v Australia
Referee: Jérôme Garcès (France)
Assistant Referees: Romain Poite (France), Mathieu Raynal (France)
TMO: Ben Skeen (New Zealand)

Wow. This line-up is what my nightmares are made of. I suppose this is expected to benefit England more but the random calls at the scrum might actually aid Aussie. I hope my misgivings are unwarranted and all contribute a great game.

Interesting isn't it? My view is that this line-up marginally favours the Australians. In my opinion Garces is the worst referee when it comes to policing the breakdown, the offside line and is entirely random when it comes to scrum enforcement. He also makes at least one utterly baffling call per match which could go either way.

The most important point being the breakdown. If you compare and contrast say Nic Berry's approach with Garces you have chalk and cheese. With the former the ruck contest is a very small window in which either a player wins a penalty / turnover or the contest is nullified. With Garces it's much much longer with players loitering around and on the ball (imo Garces is Wales' dream ref), multiple cleanout attempts etc. Now whilst I'm sure Pocock, Hooper (and Curry too) would prefer the former (more lightning turnovers / pens) the Aussies will quite happily adapt to the latter. England play best off fast, clean ball. If we don't get that then Youngs does his stupid arm flapping thing (+ ref moaning) and the service becomes glacial. Which then leads to booting the ball away and if we stay true to type that'll be up the middle to someone like Beale........... That still feels like a stupid plan to me.......

Ben Skeen - Well the match might take 4 hrs to play as he decides to intervene over the most trivial incidents. But both teams will need to manage their tackle discipline. Thus far only one team in this contest has proven capable of doing so. If Australia adopt the "well that's just how we do it" mentality they've displayed so far they'll be playing with 13 men for some of the game.

I hope it doesn't but this might come down to which random call Garces decides to make and who it favours..........

 

[Goodey]

Both teams will need to manage their tackle discipline. Thus far only one team in this contest has proven capable of doing so. If Australia adopt the "well that's just how we do it" mentality they've displayed so far they'll be playing with 13 men for some of the game.

This isn't too much to ask of a pro team in any way, and the fact that Australia continue to be baffled by it is just pissweak coaching, isn't it?

 

[TheOvalBall]

Aus might sneak this, i feel.

 

[The_Wol]

This isn't too much to ask of a pro team in any way, and the fact that Australia continue to be baffled by it is just pissweak coaching, isn't it?

Mate Ma'a Nonu has been baffled by it most of his career.

 

[Pieter Steph du Teague]

From an England perspective I don't think there are positions in the team that there are many question marks around. I'd say 1 and 14 are the only shirts that we aren't sure who will be filling them; everyone else is pretty much bolted on.

 

[Derpus]

I think people are overrating the Poopers breakdown work. The turnover stats in the Wales game was 11 - 3 or some such.

Most people here saying Pocock needs to be benched.

 

[The_Wol]

Pocock and Hooper has the disadvantage of taking away a strong mobile ball runner in the number 6. Pocock is not a ball runner, he's a breakdown specialist. We need someone like Solokai-loto or Dempsey in the 6 jersey. Someone with some size, pace and aggression.

 

[Yoshimitsu]

This isn't too much to ask of a pro team in any way, and the fact that Australia continue to be baffled by it is just pissweak coaching, isn't it?

I absolutely agree. I do however wonder whether Cheika's siege mentality sometimes distracts from his ability to apply logic. Two teams have adopted the "it's so unfair we've always operated like this" defence notably Samoa (7 yellows and 1 Red) and Australia (3 yellows and a postdated red for Hodge) who were lucky to avoid further sanctions for Hooper cheap shotting Biggar and Arnold for smashing someone in the head in the same tackle that got Naisarani binned. You also got the epic whine about Kerevi forearm smashing Patchell in the throat.

Personally I hope that Australia continue to play the victim and don't alter their behaviour. As I stated above if they do that they'll end up playing with less than 15 for large parts of the game and England will roast them if they choose to do that.