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Saracens have called for an end to the Aviva Premiership salary cap.

"The salary cap has served its purpose," said chief executive Edward Griffiths. "It's time to seize a golden opportunity to grow the game, to ensure a level playing field in Europe, to build the strongest league in world rugby and to let players earn market-related salaries."

In a week where Dan Carter became the first £1 million player, Griffiths fears the Premiership clubs will be left behind unless they are given freedom to spend up to their own individual limit. Griffiths says seven Premiership teams are behind the motion to scrap the salary cap and the issue will be discussed on February 4 at the next PRL shareholder meeting.

"The combination of England hosting the Rugby World Cup in 2015 and Sevens featuring in the 2016 Olympic Games creates a historic but fleeting platform for rugby union to grow dramatically," Griffiths said. "We must release the handbrake and step on the accelerator.

"The clubs need to encourage investment, to provide the spectacle and quality deserved by our broadcast partner, BT Sport, and ***le sponsor, Aviva. It would be a pity if the world's top players light up the World Cup on English soil, and then leave to play club rugby in France. If the salary cap is left to forbid the required investment, it will kill any hope of growth."

Griffiths says English clubs must be allowed to spend at the same level as their Irish and French counterparts. "English clubs must compete in the European Champions Cup against Irish and French clubs spending two or three times as much on players.

Imagine the likes of Arsenal and Manchester City being asked to compete with Barcelona, FC Bayern and Real Madrid under those circumstances. It would never happen, but it happens in rugby. Strong legal opinion suggests the salary cap, as applied, breaches European competition laws.

"We understand some clubs fear the removal of the salary cap will cause wage inflation yet, in reality, salaries are already being driven by the French clubs. We can either sit back and become a second rate 'lowest common denominator' league, or we can leap forward."

Griffiths also feels England players must be on a salary that reflects their true value. He added: "Lastly, we must be fair to England international players, who are encouraged to play club rugby in England to be eligible for the national team.

Their salaries should be determined by the free market, nothing less. It is simply unfair, inequitable and possibly illegal for their pay to be restrained by the artificial mechanism of an outdated salary cap.

"Time moves on. Situations change. The game needs to evolve. In the interests of English rugby, in the interests of building the best league in the world, in the interests of the sponsors and broadcasters, in the interests of the players… it is time to #scrapthecap."

http://www.espnscrum.com/premiership-2014-15/rugby/story/251293.html
 
Big risk is there being a gulf like in football where the higher rep clubs just pull away creating a bigger gulf.
 
Level playing field in Europe....leaders in two euro groups, 2nd in 2.
It's not like everyone's getting embarrassed in every game.
 
Big risk is there being a gulf like in football where the higher rep clubs just pull away creating a bigger gulf.

Completely agree with you! It's one of the reason I stopped to follow football!

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Big risk is there being a gulf like in football where the higher rep clubs just pull away creating a bigger gulf.

Completely agree with you! It's one of the reason I stopped to follow football!
 
Completely agree with you! It's one of the reason I stopped to follow football!

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Completely agree with you! It's one of the reason I stopped to follow football!

You mean...you once did ?!!...


You mean...you once did ?!!...
 
Yes, I'm guilty!

Yes, I'm guilty!

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Yes, I'm guilty!

Yes, I'm guilty!
 
Completely agree with you! It's one of the reason I stopped to follow football!

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Completely agree with you! It's one of the reason I stopped to follow football!

Don't you just hate it when that happens!!!

Incidentally, I tend not to believe anything that Griffiths says so why should I believe that he has the backing of six other clubs as he says? Love the way he argues that it is only fair on the English Internationals who have to play in England when what he really means is that it is so he can afford to compete in the hiring of SH players with the likes of France!!
 
Saracens have called for an end to the Aviva Premiership salary cap.

"The salary cap has served its purpose," said chief executive Edward Griffiths. "It's time to seize a golden opportunity to grow the game, to ensure a level playing field in Europe, to build the strongest league in world rugby and to let players earn market-related salaries."
He has that trait that all good politicians have; he can sell a bad thing as a positive. Removing the salary cap would eradicate a level playing field. The Premiership and European league would be competitions between the "haves" and the "have nots". What he actually means by this is that it would create a level-playing field between teams like Sarries, Bath, Clermont and Toulon. The rest of us have no chance.

Griffiths says English clubs must be allowed to spend at the same level as their Irish and French counterparts. "English clubs must compete in the European Champions Cup against Irish and French clubs spending two or three times as much on players.
This isn't even twisting facts, it is downright lying.

English salary cap next year: £5.5m + 2 marquee players (so approx. £6.1m)
French salary cap next year: £7.8m

As for the Irish spending anything like £10m-£15m each on players when they are losing players to France and England to money... yeah, no.

Griffiths also feels England players must be on a salary that reflects their true value. He added: "Lastly, we must be fair to England international players, who are encouraged to play club rugby in England to be eligible for the national team.

Their salaries should be determined by the free market, nothing less. It is simply unfair, inequitable and possibly illegal for their pay to be restrained by the artificial mechanism of an outdated salary cap.
Cry me a bleeding river! Other than France, the internationals of every other nation would dream to be on the salaries that England players are on. Especially from SANZAR. Better players on worse salaries.

How out of touch is he, that he expects the general public to feel sorry for £100k-£300k p.a. players that could be earning more for playing a sport for a living?

And when the cap goes up, wages go up and season tickets go up, it will be the average wage workers (the £10k-50k earners) that actually pay for this.

Angry doesn't even cover how I feel towards him. The salary cap is the best thing about union. If it goes, I would be very tempted to follow. (Or at least watch Super Rugby instead.)
 
Don't you just hate it when that happens!!!

Incidentally, I tend not to believe anything that Griffiths says so why should I believe that he has the backing of six other clubs as he says? Love the way he argues that it is only fair on the English Internationals who have to play in England when what he really means is that it is so he can afford to compete in the hiring of SH players with the likes of France!!

Its convienietly timed seeing as Sarries arent getting their own way this season. "We arent winning. COMPLAIN"

Can we mention LW in this and their claim that their season ending last year "prevented" them making signings? Two points; a) you only went up because of this extended time and b) Exeter had the same scenario and look at them
 
Angry doesn't even cover how I feel towards him. The salary cap is the best thing about union. If it goes, I would be very tempted to follow. (Or at least watch Super Rugby instead.)

I agree, if English rugby looked the way he envisions it then I would very quickly turn my back on it.
 
Its convienietly timed seeing as Sarries arent getting their own way this season. "We arent winning. COMPLAIN"
I think this is the real issue for them. They made final last year and well truth be known they probably think they're bigger than most. But now surely frustration is creeping in and they want more salary cap as they know they've the money but can't use it. For all their performances over past few years they haven't got much trophies to show and this could be them wanting to be like the "Toulon of England"
 
This isn't even twisting facts, it is downright lying.

English salary cap next year: £5.5m + 2 marquee players (so approx. £6.1m)
French salary cap next year: £7.8m

As for the Irish spending anything like £10m-£15m each on players when they are losing players to France and England to money... yeah, no.

I didn't know the exact numbers, but that's exactly what I thought when I first read that. Clearly utter bull****.

Their salaries should be determined by the free market, nothing less.

Of course, "The Market". "The Market" is always right...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XskYqWt0To
 
Exactly... determined by the market - not the pockets of private individuals.
 
It isn't a "market" in an economic / business sense anyway, is it, because none of the big spending owners are expecting to actually make money back from their investment, are they? Which makes his argument invalid even if you did agree with it (which I don't). It basically means, he wants the right to spend as much money as he likes to make his club bigger and better than the other select group of super-rich owners' clubs. NOT that he wants the right to invest, thus driving an economy, thus benefitting the sport as a whole and ya-de-ya-de-ya-de. It's the equivalent of high stakes gambling, they're not doing it because they think they will make money from the roulette wheel but because they enjoy playing with huge amounts of their own cash, knowing they'll lose a fair amount of it That's fine on one level, nothing in principle against someone splashing their own hard-earned cash, however there are more important intangible things at stake with a rugby club than in a casino.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Nice to see the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/scrapthecap?src=hash">#scrapthecap</a> hashtag got an almighty 14 tweets.... 14, seriously that's it....</p>&mdash; Ryan (@RyanWalkinshaw) <a href="https://twitter.com/RyanWalkinshaw/status/545976814494298112">December 19, 2014</a></blockquote>
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:lol:

You're right though, ETR... individuals are usually either in it because of a particular affinity to a club (lifelong fan or whatever) or they're in it for the prestige - it's basically a hobby.
 
Something I never understood by club owners that want to buy their way to success... when they do actually achieve that success, what is there to celebrate?0

If you beat a 10 year old in a boxing match, do you really have the right to gloat?

What is the point of following a sport if the joy of winning is replaced with the expectation of winning?

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You're right though, ETR... individuals are usually either in it because of a particular affinity to a club (lifelong fan or whatever) or they're in it for the prestige - it's basically a hobby.
If Glos aren't amongst the 7 teams that want the cap removed, who actually is?

As far as I can tell, removing the cap would only serve the purposes of 2 teams, Sarries and Bath. Tigers may also want to remove the cap, with their giant income. Would love to know which other 4 teams actually want to remove the cap.

But given Griffiths' fluidity with the truth, I reckon he's made the figure up.


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Yep no salary cap would be a great idea. Look at how well the English football teams done in recent years.
 

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