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<blockquote data-quote="saulan" data-source="post: 793983" data-attributes="member: 60236"><p>That thing I posted specifically mentions the U20 six nations as being binding to a nation IF the nation has designated their U20 team as their second national team. So an English player would be able to move around if they played in that tournament because they have the Saxons, as would Irish players because of the Wolfhounds. Do the Welsh have an A national side, or have they specified their U20 side as their second national team?</p><p></p><p>I think Shingler got away with it because (this is my speculation based on guesswork and when the South Africans made the U20s their second team) either the second national team hadn't been put in place in 2011 or Wales hadn't designated their U20s as their second national team in 2011.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Nevermind, I should have researched what happened first:</p><p>"<span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'">On 5 January 2012, Shingler was named in the provisional Scotland squad for the 2012 Six Nations, based on the fact that his mother was born in </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumfries" target="_blank">Dumfries</a><span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'">, Scotland.</span></span><sup><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-appeal-8" target="_blank">[8]</a></sup><span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"> However, due to his appearances for Wales u-20, the </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Rugby_Union" target="_blank">WRU</a><span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"> contested this call up, stating that Wales had officially declared their u-20 squad as their second XV at the time, which they understood made Shingler ineligible to represent any country other than Wales under the 'capture' rules.</span></span><sup><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-appeal-8" target="_blank">[8]</a></sup><span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"> The </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rugby_Union" target="_blank">Scottish Rugby Union</a><span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"> defended their selection, saying that Shingler had refused to sign a document tying himself to Wales and believed he was eligible to play internationally for Scotland. However the WRU challenged this position, and the </span></span><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rugby_Board" target="_blank">IRB</a><span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"> ruled that Shingler was only eligible to play for Wales, and not Scotland.</span></span><sup><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-9" target="_blank">[9]</a></sup><sup><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-10" target="_blank">[10]</a></sup><span style="color: #252525"><span style="font-family: 'sans-serif'"> In May 2012 an IRB appeal hearing confirmed the earlier ruling that Shingler can only represent Wales.</span></span><sup><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-11" target="_blank">[11]</a></sup>"</p><p></p><p>It seems that this is consistent with the laws and Scotland and Shingler were just trying their luck.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="saulan, post: 793983, member: 60236"] That thing I posted specifically mentions the U20 six nations as being binding to a nation IF the nation has designated their U20 team as their second national team. So an English player would be able to move around if they played in that tournament because they have the Saxons, as would Irish players because of the Wolfhounds. Do the Welsh have an A national side, or have they specified their U20 side as their second national team? I think Shingler got away with it because (this is my speculation based on guesswork and when the South Africans made the U20s their second team) either the second national team hadn't been put in place in 2011 or Wales hadn't designated their U20s as their second national team in 2011. EDIT: Nevermind, I should have researched what happened first: "[COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif]On 5 January 2012, Shingler was named in the provisional Scotland squad for the 2012 Six Nations, based on the fact that his mother was born in [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumfries"]Dumfries[/URL][COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif], Scotland.[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-appeal-8"][8][/URL][/SUP][COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif] However, due to his appearances for Wales u-20, the [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Rugby_Union"]WRU[/URL][COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif] contested this call up, stating that Wales had officially declared their u-20 squad as their second XV at the time, which they understood made Shingler ineligible to represent any country other than Wales under the 'capture' rules.[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-appeal-8"][8][/URL][/SUP][COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif] The [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rugby_Union"]Scottish Rugby Union[/URL][COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif] defended their selection, saying that Shingler had refused to sign a document tying himself to Wales and believed he was eligible to play internationally for Scotland. However the WRU challenged this position, and the [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Rugby_Board"]IRB[/URL][COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif] ruled that Shingler was only eligible to play for Wales, and not Scotland.[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-9"][9][/URL][/SUP][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-10"][10][/URL][/SUP][COLOR=#252525][FONT=sans-serif] In May 2012 an IRB appeal hearing confirmed the earlier ruling that Shingler can only represent Wales.[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Shingler#cite_note-11"][11][/URL][/SUP]" It seems that this is consistent with the laws and Scotland and Shingler were just trying their luck. [/QUOTE]
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