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<blockquote data-quote="Bada-Bing!" data-source="post: 942772" data-attributes="member: 70552"><p>Well it's not a completely different issue and is irreconcilable IMO. Recognising world records when they didn't test out of competition in the 1980s, hence why Flo Jo immediately retired after 1988 once out of competition testing was brought. So those times, including Flo Jo's, were easily run by those athletes and those behind them knowing they could juice up and train out of competition and then a few weeks before competition stop the PEDS to ensure it was out of their system they beat the in competition testing. The 400m and 800m world record times were run by athletes from at the time East European communist states and most likely state sponsored. The whole testing regime was flawed pre 1988 (not that it is by any means perfect now) so many of those times that still stand as world records today are now discredited. </p><p></p><p>Deliberate use of drugs to enhance performance in flawed pre 1988 testing period, where it is clear the system could be easily manipulated, which the IAAF have continued to be recognise as the best women can run at 100, 400, 800m (and therefore get away with) as opposed to forced medication of Caster, if she wants to continue to compete at the events she is best at, which will lower her performance below which naturally performs at. This is irreconcilable IMO and hence why I said to reconcile it is to just not recognise the pre-1988 times if they are going to continue to the rule of forced medicating Intersex athletes such as Caster. Either that or create a third category because it's clear she can't compete against men even if it is open competition. </p><p></p><p>For me it's about the "competitive" advantage which is the heart of the issue and is difficult to reconcile because the IAAF don't know how to classify Caster without forcing her to change who she is biologically/physiologically without medication. Effectively a reverse PED. </p><p></p><p>I suspect Caster just won't run 400 to a mile distances anymore if it means having to take medication to lower her testosterone. Certainly whilst she appeals again. Her case is more complex as it goes to the very heart of her identity and changing her physiology to compete is abhorrent to her. She's run 5000m twice before i believe so could just jump up to that distance until they sort out whether the rules apply across the board.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Bada-Bing!, post: 942772, member: 70552"] Well it’s not a completely different issue and is irreconcilable IMO. Recognising world records when they didn’t test out of competition in the 1980s, hence why Flo Jo immediately retired after 1988 once out of competition testing was brought. So those times, including Flo Jo's, were easily run by those athletes and those behind them knowing they could juice up and train out of competition and then a few weeks before competition stop the PEDS to ensure it was out of their system they beat the in competition testing. The 400m and 800m world record times were run by athletes from at the time East European communist states and most likely state sponsored. The whole testing regime was flawed pre 1988 (not that it is by any means perfect now) so many of those times that still stand as world records today are now discredited. Deliberate use of drugs to enhance performance in flawed pre 1988 testing period, where it is clear the system could be easily manipulated, which the IAAF have continued to be recognise as the best women can run at 100, 400, 800m (and therefore get away with) as opposed to forced medication of Caster, if she wants to continue to compete at the events she is best at, which will lower her performance below which naturally performs at. This is irreconcilable IMO and hence why I said to reconcile it is to just not recognise the pre-1988 times if they are going to continue to the rule of forced medicating Intersex athletes such as Caster. Either that or create a third category because it’s clear she can’t compete against men even if it is open competition. For me it’s about the “competitive” advantage which is the heart of the issue and is difficult to reconcile because the IAAF don’t know how to classify Caster without forcing her to change who she is biologically/physiologically without medication. Effectively a reverse PED. I suspect Caster just won’t run 400 to a mile distances anymore if it means having to take medication to lower her testosterone. Certainly whilst she appeals again. Her case is more complex as it goes to the very heart of her identity and changing her physiology to compete is abhorrent to her. She’s run 5000m twice before i believe so could just jump up to that distance until they sort out whether the rules apply across the board. [/QUOTE]
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